[RealGM] Beverley, Lin And The Rockets' Meritocracy

He's right about the stats, but you're right with your points also. Factor in Jeremy's first month being rusty due to coming off surgery and I'm sure his TS would be close to 56%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beverpa01.html#advanced::none

 

It's really an issue of semantics, but I personally don't consider being an efficient scorer as the same thing as being a good shooter.

LeBron has a higher TS% than Ray Allen, but I don't think that makes him a better "shooter."

In the context of a fitting back court mate for Harden, you have to ask to which is a bigger need, someone who can knock down shots off the catch at a high rate, or someone who can penetrate and draw a lot of fouls.

To revisit the stats, it probably would be more telling to look at Lin's entire season vs Beverly's:

Per 36 Min
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Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Patrick Beverley 2012-13 24 41 0 713 4.0 9.5 .418 1.8 4.8 .375 1.7 2.1 .829 2.3 3.2 5.5 5.9 1.9 1.1 2.2 4.2 11.5
2 Jeremy Lin 2012-13 24 82 82 2640 5.4 12.2 .441 1.2 3.5 .339 2.9 3.7 .785 0.4 2.9 3.4 6.8 1.8 0.4 3.2 2.8 14.9
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Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Patrick Beverley 2012-13 24 41 713 15.4 .551 .513 7.2 10.1 8.7 24.2 2.6 2.2 17.5 15.4 116 105 1.4 0.8 2.2 .148
2 Jeremy Lin 2012-13 24 82 2640 14.9 .538 .490 1.4 9.1 5.3 29.4 2.5 0.8 18.8 20.8 106 107 3.0 2.5 5.4 .099
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That's a cool story bro, if you ignore the half Lin struggled, he's above Beverley by barely anything in TS% and he's still worse in eFG% lol.

And if you look at Beverley's worst month and Lin's best month in netrtg, Lin wins lol.

Beverley's overall NetRtg is 7.4 and Lin's is 2.4.

 

how about beverely's rust of playing for the first time in the nba? does this factor into anything?

 

Well, according to LOHs, Lin put up Superstar level numbers because he was a newbie and teams didn't focus on him as much, and didn't gameplan for him.

 

I take the NetRtg stat with a grain of salt because the personnel on the floor is different (both offensively and defensively). Put Lin in with the 2nd unit, like so many fans want, I predict the story may be different. But it's all speculation. Excluding the admittedly awful first two months, you can't deny their shooting percentages are comparable. Thus, if you say Bev is a good shooter, then by default you should admit Lin is also. Unless you're just a hater for other reasons.

 

It does. Im just saying Jeremy plays against first teams while also expending his energy for 30+ minutes, factors that are quite significant. I dont like the comparisons of per 36 and eFG% and stuff like that between starters and bench players. Its pretty flawed.

 

I honestly think its up to the management and coaches to find a fit for Harden and Lin.

Expand the system where both skills are utilized. As of right now, you have two guys that don't complain about touches, are happy with each other, and bring something to the table. Its up to the coaches to find a way to mesh these two together.

Don't be like OKC where they undervalued Harden and traded away a diamond encased of dirt.

 

Seconded. Both players had huge adjustments to make to their game and their environment, and Beverley seemingly made a smoother transition.

 

For whatever it's worth, you can do some pretty cool stuff with Vorped:

Beverley

Lin

 

Exactly, Brooks didn't even know his name, called him "little guy" in their timeouts.

 

It almost sounds like you are describing Patrick Beverley

 

I really liked what was going on in those games but remember that the teams we went up against didn't prepare for that offense (without Harden) and if that was the offense going forward or any offense going forward, opponents would scout and prepare accordingly. Players need to adapt to different scenarios, one thing that worries me is that Lin can only be good if we play a certain way. We need versatility and need to be able to change it up especially since we are not in the position of an elite team (YET).

 

12'ers gonna 12.

 

Not so much the 3 point %, but attacking the rim is supposed to be Lin's game. I think he's capable of 5 shots at the rim (he was at 4 this year) at >60% FG% (he actually finished at 62.9% - 10% higher than last year). The year before (Linsanity), Lin had > 5 FTA/G, but Lin dropped to a meager 3.2 FTA/G this year. IMO, these attacking the rim stats should be Lin's bread and butter.

BTW, I don't like your tone.

 

It says Bev's FG % was 43.2. Wasn't it 41.8%?

www.nba.com/playerfile/patrick_beverley/#$/playerfile/patrick_beverley/index.html

 

Basketball Manifesto had Harden and Lin listed as the second or third best backcourt in the NBA for almost the entire season and as late as two weeks before the end of the regular season. This was based on Win Points ,a measure of how much a player contributes to winning. It is published by thenbageek.com as an alternative to Hollinger's PER. You would be suprised how high Lin is ranked.Most people who work with stats or are statistiscian are not very happy with Hollinger's PER ratings and are looking for other measures. So I agree Harden and Lin are as good as any backcourt .

 

Lin is just an average/above average pointguard with poor shooting and poor handles. Just deal with it, nobody is saying he sucks dick, we are just glad to see somebody like Beverely get a chance over Lin because most of us know that Lin isnt fit for our offense.

 

Lol.... the offense that was top 5 in efficiency?? You can argue that Beverley is a better fit cause he plays enough good defense to make up for Harden's lack thereof, but Lin certainly played a role in pushing the pace that led to our high octane offense.

 

Hollinger's PER is a seriously flawed stat on many levels...People have been citing to the 82games simple ratings as evidence of Lin's marginal value, but all it takes into account are various PER measurements.

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213HOU.HTM