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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    "Majority Of Democrats Focused On Electability Rather Than Ideology For 2020":

    "New polling indicates that a solid majority of Democrats are more interested in finding a candidate who can beat Donald Trump in 2020 than they are with finding a candidate that agrees with them on specific issues.

    ". . . This progressive cohort, though, only represents one part of the Democratic Party as a whole and not necessarily representative of voters that might be inclined to vote against President Trump. The other part of the Democratic Party coalition, and perhaps the largest one when you actually look at the numbers, is the one that voted for Obama in the primaries in 2008 and 2012 and for Clinton in 2016. Unlike the progressives, these voters aren’t hard-left, don’t necessarily support ideas like Medicare for All, 'free' college, and other policy ideas that have become a common part of progressive Democratic policy positions in the years since the 2016 Clinton-Sanders race. Additionally, this 'center-left' cohort includes those white, working-class voters in places like the Midwest that voted for President Obama in 2008 and 2012 only to turn around and vote for Trump in 2016. These are the voters who seem to be represented by the poll noted above in that their primary concern is likely to be defeating the President rather than nominating a candidate who agrees with them on the issues. This, of course, is generally how a political party is supposed to operate in our system. Just as Republicans in 2012 needed a candidate who had the most realistic chance of defeating President Obama, the Democrats need a candidate who can speak to the voters i00n places such as the Midwest as easily as they can speak to more liberal voters on the East and West Coasts. Perhaps one of the 'progressive' candidates can meet that criterion, but the more likely thing is that this would be an opening for candidates such as Joe Biden or even Mike Bloomberg, both of whom seem to be leaning toward the idea of a campaign that doesn’t just speak to the progressives in the party and, in some cases, pushes back against them when necessary. The results of this poll suggest that this, not adherence to progressive ideals, is the key to winning over Democratic voters in 2020."

    https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/m...on-electability-rather-than-ideology-for-2020
     
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    Elizabeth Warren lists her ethnicity as Native American on Texas Bar application

    Using an open records request during a general inquiry, for example, The Post obtained Warren’s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an ‘‘American Indian.’’

    Warren filled out the card by hand and signed it. Dated April 1986, it is the first document to surface showing Warren making the claim in her own handwriting. Her office didn’t dispute its authenticity.
    At this point, all that is missing is a video clip of Porky Pig saying "That's all, folks!"

    Is it still ok to laugh at Porky Pig? Just curious.
     
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    Boom (Island)...

     
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    But will Democrat voters choose her over all the other candidates running in the primaries?

    What do you think? Can she win the nomination?
     
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    She hasn't even announced yet, nor other possible candidates. I think she has a chance as she is (so far) the most centrist of the main candidates. Extremely likable, very smart and accomplished. But its very early.
     
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    This is really interesting. There are no substantial allegations connected with this. It is all very vague. Are some on the Dem left going to try to subtly take out Klobuchar with this kind of stuff? It does not seem like she is really all that much of a threat to win the nomination at this point.

    There has to be something more to this that we do not know yet. Don't get me wrong. I do not want Klobuchar to win the nomination. But if this is some sort of underhanded smear campaign, I do not want that either.
     
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    somewhere around 1:00-ish Central

     
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    uber-leftie Brian Leiter puzzles over the emerging Democratic field. the essay linked (Corey Robin) is worth a look as well:

    The increasingly strange Democratic field
    On the one hand, we have candidates with actual, substantive positions that make clear they are not Republicans and not neoliberal Democrats--most clearly, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren--and then we have candidates who are selling their personality and life story and "feel good" blather, and not substantive agendas: Senators Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Kristin Gillibrand, and now Amy Klubochar. I sure hope the substance wins, and the personalities go back to their mirrors.

    UPDATE: This is apt, from political theorist Corey Robin (Brooklyn College). (Thanks to Dean Rowan for the pointer.)
     
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    Bernie Sanders blows away the rest of the Democrats running for president on the day of his formal announcement that he is running for president again.

    Bernie crushes 2020 Democratic field in first-day money chase

    Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign is off to an impressive start: The Vermont senator crushed other Democratic candidates in his first day of online fundraising, and boasted social media stats that easily outstripped his competition, too.

    Sanders brought in more than $5.9 million from more than 220,000 donors in the 24 hours since he announced his presidential candidacy, according to his campaign. He easily eclipsed other announced 2020 candidates’ first-day fundraising figures — as well as his own in 2015, when he he raked in more than $1.5 million online in the first 24 hours.

    Sanders broke small-dollar fundraising records in that campaign, and his staff has worked to amass an online media empire, posting more than 1,000 videos on his Facebook and Twitter pages over the past two years.​

    I thought that people running to be nominated by the Democrats had to formally declare their loyalty to their party. No independents masquerading as Democrats this time around. Or at least that was the story last fall.

    Bernie is going to pull the Democrats too far to the left and the party establishment eggheads know it. They do not want him to run and they certainly do not want him to win. If Sanders wins the nomination this time, the Democrats will be the party of socialism from now on, and all the lying and denying in the world is not going to fool anyone. If Sanders wins the nomination, the Democrats are the American Socialist Party - case closed.
     
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    He's only doing what won for Trump on the left .. Uncertainty/anxiety creates extreme mentalities amongst poor and middle classes in any nation.
     
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    Is he really any more socialist than the other progressive candidates right now? He might need to advocate for communal child-rearing in kibbutzim to differentiate himself again.
     
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    That is a great question. No, not really. But Sanders has worn the Socialist T-Shirt for decades now. He openly claims and identifies himself as a socialist. Most people see that the Democrats have largely embraced a great many of the principals of socialism as their own. But to nominate a nominee who refers to himself as a socialist, that is taking this a step further, a step from which the party will not quickly return from.

    Obama was successful in part because he was evasive about his beliefs and wherever he had to lie and deny whatever he truly believed in order to gain some political advantage, just like Trump, he did it without blinking an eye. The Democrats have for decades enjoyed some measure of their success to not being honest or open about who they really were or what they really wanted to do.

    For example, Obama ran on marriage being between one man and one woman, not once but twice. In 2008 and 2012. Very shortly after the beginning of his second term, he cast that aside as the lie that we all knew that it was and became a champion of homosexual marriage. Of course there are other examples, but this was classic, not just for Obama, but for Democrats more broadly

    During the last term of Obama, the mask of the Democrats started slipping off quite rapidly. Talk about a political wardrobe malfunction. Part of that slippage came thanks to the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, the self described socialist. Prior to his candidacy, the Democrats would uniformly deny any support for socialism, even though it was obvious to any principled person that they were lying about this, yet again. Bernie put paid to that old canard. And if he now wins the nomination for the Democrats, everyone voting for him will effectively be endorsing socialism.

    I wonder how many people actually would vote for Bernie in a general election, with this in mind.
     
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    I am concerned -- with Bernie and with other candidates as well -- that the spectre of socialism will kill them in the general. Trump has picked up on this theme already and I expect it to be the hallmark of his next campaign, even if the Democrats ultimately put up some non-socialist. It probably won't scare away progressive types on the coasts, but the Democrat is also going to need a bunch of moderates in the middle of the country to vote for him/her too. It seems a bit passe, but I think Red Scare tactics will still work. The nominee will "run back to the middle" after the primaries, but they might end up having too far to run. It's hard to walk-back proposals like the wealth tax, abolishing the health insurance industry, etc. Especially if there is a third party candidate. So, I'd add 'progressives being too socialist' to the short list of ways that Trump can somehow prevail despite sucking.
     
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