Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Why would we do that?

The actual totals should suffice if we are gonna have an honest discussions.

Sanders does not currently have the same level of support as he did in 2016 and that is because there are more candidates this year.

He got 60% of the votes in NH in 2016 and he only got 26% this year and he only won by 2% instead of 30% if you want to talk about margins.

Not saying he cannot gain more support but right now he does not have the same support.

 

They would root for/vote for Bernie in the primaries only to get him to be the Dem nominee. They would never vote for him come November. It would be the DNC's worst nightmare. Yes they believe Bernie would be the easiest for Trump to beat but it actually goes much deeper than that. Quite honestly Bernie and his ideas are dangerous. Many want Bernie to be the nominee to put "Democratic Socialism" on the November ballot so once that ideology is soundly defeated it will go back into the shadows where it belongs.

 

I know a lot of people who plan to do the same. I probably will as well.

 

He belongs to a voting bloc that completely believes that the ends justify the means.

 

5% of the DNC primaries is going to probably be decided by GOP voters in the select few states that are open to all registered voters. The other 95% are going to be represented by DNC registered voters and Super Delegates.

Now tell me why Trump, his administration officials, his surrogates and his supporters openly root for Bernie to win the nomination? Oh wow you spam your votes in the few states that allow open voting but then you make the vast majority of primary voters be more fearful of voting for Bernie because their political enemy in Trump is openly advocating for him.

So either Trump is dumb and is shooting himself in the foot or he doesn't want Bernie to get selected because he's afraid of him.

In both instances he's still dumb but one of those instances is dumb in itself.

 

It's not the same support, of course, a 2 candidate race is going to be vastly different from a 10 candidate race.

The margins that actually matter, is the margins between other candidates nationally. Bernie is simply in the best place he has ever been in, he's doing the best he's ever done. He's the front runner, he's the most likely to win, for the first time ever.

 

So why does the margin matter nationally and not on the state level?

Why does it not matter if has lost at this point about 15% of the voters who voted for him in 2016 on the national level?

Yes he is the front runner and has a good chance to win but that does not mean he has not lost support since 2016.

And lets be real he only has a 7% lead with 3 candidates who are canceling each others voters that's not great if an of the 3 drop out.

 

Bernie's bloc reminds me of Trump's: it's a solid 30% that is with him no matter what. I don't buy his campaign's math when they claim that losses in the suburbs will be offset by younger voters. Forgive me for not wanting to place the future of our democracy entirely within the hands of the most unreliable voting demographic out there.

 

It matters more because that's what wins the election. Not a 15 delegate difference in NH/IA spread out amongst 10 candidates.

Him losing 15% of the voters on the national level doesn't matter because his greatest opponent went from being 60% in Clinton to 15% in Biden.

I don't recognize that argument, most voters do not vote purely (if at all) on ideology, Bernie has often polled as Biden supporters 2nd choice. For many people it comes down to name recognition, it comes down to viability and many other highly personalized reasons.

I'll say it again, Bernie is in the best place now that he has ever been in, he's doing the best he's ever done, he currently has the greatest chance at winning the nomination he has ever had. Therefore, your notion that Bernie is not doing as well as last year, is false.

 

SHHHHH

We can't compare Bernie at all with Trump.

 

What?

You do know that everybody who gets above 15% gets a share of the delegates right?

Bernie has the most name recognition besides Biden and he has essentially been campaigning since 2016, whats your point?

Yes he is in the best place but he is not running away with the election and he does not yet have a great path to winning the needed delegates because he has a low base of support.

Now all of this can change after Super Tuesday and if it does more power to him but the facts are simple he does not have as much support as he did in 2016 nothing more nothing less.

I don't really see what the debate is about.

 

You definitely can. You can compare how they are complete foils of each other.

 

So i guess you actually like engaging with me?

 

What in the heck makes you think any of that plan is coming from Trump or his campaign? I do not take nay marching orders from ANY politician including Trump. The movement for Trump supporters to vote for Bernie in the primaries is purely grass roots.

 

Maybe they are an unreliable voting bloc because tradional politicians don't understand younger generations and dismiss them and insult their intelligence like this:


"Our kids never learn civics in school anymore". Wtf does that mean?

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...for_democrats_by_boosting_bernie_sanders.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/03/opinions/trump-bernie-election-avlon/index.html

Trump has tweeted plenty times in support of Bernie winning the nomination. His own aids went to Axios and explicitly said they want Bernie.

These are definitely marching orders from Trump. You're just too foolish to figure it out.

In the Trump bootlicking world, the "grass roots" is whatever comes out of Trump's mouth. They don't have original thoughts.

 

When you aren't attempting to go meta and discussing things outside the topic at hand. But you are one of the few posters where that rarely happens with.

Sure we'll circle jerk about not liking Trump and we strongly agree on that subject matter but the moment we differ in opinion, you resort to "your ilk" rhetoric and bringing up GARM banter.

 

You may be right .... but in 2016 he was running against one very flawed candidate. This time around people have a multitude of choices , at least for the moment and its going to take more than 43% going forward to win the nomination outright.

I still see a brokered convention in the future.

I can't see any of the others dropping out before Super Tuesday and even then , there should be 3-4 candidates remaining after that keeping the vote and delegates split.

And then there's Bloomberg .... he's gonna throw a monkey wrench in the whole process.


Wonder how the landscape looks after one of the moderates does bow out ... who gets that person's votes.

I'm on the anyone but Bernie train for the primary .... I want no part of all this increased government and increased spending.

 

Sanders is your worst nightmare as President, yet you want to vote for him to become one of the two nominees in 2020? You do realize he has a chance if winning, right? This forum alone should tell you that most people hate trump and will vote for any candidate who wins the democratic nomination. The only logical move is to vote for someone you can stomach if Trump loses