Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

As of right now anybody but Lin, harden, parsons, Asik. Those 4 are keepers they fit in well and like each other off the court.

Kevin love! Kevin love! Kevin love! Rockets would be real good

If rockets could get Kevin love forget Dwight Howard

 

Says a guy whose most recent proposal on this thread is:

Maybe a Parsons + T Jones swap for Granger and a pick?

Which a) is impossible, as Houston cannot absorb the difference in salaries, and b) demonstrates that you have "absolutely zero clue how trades in the NBA work," as Chandler Parsons, at his price, is far more valuable than the expensive as hell Granger, who is coming off a serious injury and turns 30 in the near future.

 

This board can be ridiculous.

Guys who don't have trade value: Douglas, Aldrich, Beverley, Anderson, White
Guys who have very little trade value: Delfino, Morris, Smith
Guys who have some value, but not a ton: Patterson, Jones, Motiejunas
Guys with decent value: Lin (mostly marketing reasons)
Guys with good value: Parsons, Asik
Guys with great value: Harden

We're not gonna get jack if you only give up players from the lowest two categories.

 

You're right, for the most part. But when you have cap space, and you are bailing some poorly managed, desperate team out on the luxury tax, then yes, you can often get something for basically nothing, and we see this sort of trade happen fairly regularly in the NBA, particularly right before the February trade deadline. There are lots of instances of a desperate team trading an unwanted contract for nothing, or a first round pick along with an unwanted contract for nothing. Hell, Memphis just traded Rudy Gay for Ed Davis, an expiring contract (Jose Calderon), and a second round pick. If you had posted on a Grizzlies fan board that you think they should trade Gay for Ed Davis, an expiring contract, and a second round pick, you would have been laughed off the board. [Yes, the Grizzlies then flipped Calderon's expiring contract for Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye, but that was, for all intents and purposes, a separate trade. They could've just kept Calderon rather than trade him for Prince and Daye.]

 

best trade we prolly get to help us short term and will not hurt us long term

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aqpo4zx

 

Value isn't something that is definitive. It's subjective. None of us, including you (despite your post), truly know how other teams value, or even perceive, opposing players.

 

Jeremy Lin is not going anywhere and it has NOTHING to do with marketing

 

Jennings and expiring contract Dunleavy for Lin......? WOW

 

This isn't a bad idea, although I don't think it would happen until the offseason, and it will only happen in the offseason in the unlikely event that Dwight Howard refuses to re-sign with the Lakers. Don't forget that the Lakers have his Larry Bird Rights, so they can give him one more year than anybody else, and can also give him more money per year than anybody else. This is why it is virtually unheard of for really good players to not re-sign with their current team.

The Lakers may wind up deciding that The Dwight Howard Experience just isn't worth all of the drama, in which case yes, I would imagine that they'd want to sign and trade him to a team that can absorb a large chunk of his salary, such as Houston. This allows the Lakers to drastically reduce their 2013-14 luxury tax penalty. However, I'm not so sure that Daryl Morey is all that interested in Howard at this point for the same reason why the Lakers may decide that he isn't worth it. He really is an idiot.

By the way, I am looking at the Nuggets boxscore from tonight, and, like many Nuggets boxscores, it has JaVale McGee once again getting insignificant minutes. His salary, however, is not insignificant. And the Nuggets are going to be in luxury tax territory in 2013-14 after re-signing Andre Iguodala. The Nuggets have only two options, in my opinion: a) dump McGee's contract, since George Karl isn't interested in playing him all that much, or b) fire George Karl, and hire a guy who WILL play McGee. We see management teams fire coaches for this reason fairly often. For example, my guess as to why Scott Skiles "stepped down" is because he wasn't playing guys like Ersan Ilyasova as much as management wanted him to.

Anyway, would the Rockets be interested in trading for McGee? Especially since they wouldn't have to give up a whole lot in order to get him? My guess is that a Patrick Patterson-Marcus Morris package might get it done.

 

It's a horrible idea. No, we are not trading Asik and Lin for two rentals.

 

Cousins,Jimmer,Outlaw,Honeycutt

for

Douglas,Aldrich,Jones,Donatas,Mook


Lin/Beverly/Jimmer
Harden/Delfino/Anderson
Parsons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Cousins/Patterson/White
Asik/Smith

Sac should do it for 2 expirings,two rookies who can be really good(Donatas/Jones), get a high pick if they tank to go along with the new team in Seattle, and lose a headache in Cousins.

 

Sacs Line up after trade

Thomas/Brooks/Douglas
Evans/Thornton/Garcia
Mook/Salmons/Johnson
Thompson/Robinson/Jones
Donatas/Hayes/Aldrich

 

puff puff pass.

 

Even if Sacramento was going to trade DMC this season (they're not), they could get much better value for him elsewhere.

 

The only untouchable should be harden,everyone else are pawns. A lot of the guys like lin,asik are just solid players and easily replaceable. The next untouchable to me is probably parson with his contract and production. Everyone else,its a wrap.

 

Lin and Asik are off limits unless we are getting a superstar in return. They are important pieces in a gelling, often-winning young team and there is no reason to flip them if all we are getting is similar value "solid players" in return. And that's all you're going to get for them this season.

 

If the Rockets go on a losing streak before the deadline, I might not be opposed to something like this, which should almost guarantee a playoff spot:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ad9nb9x

With Boston and/or Chicago sending picks to Utah.

Which would still leave enough room for Dwight with an Asik trade. I imagine Morey would be too afraid of Millsap's price getting bid up in the summer though.

 

Yes, indeed, you have random people proposing random trades with absolutely no regard for things like the CBA or reality, for the most part. They think they're playing a video game, and just toss out the first thing that comes across their mind without pausing to self-censor. :grin:

 

The original trade proposed is a deadline trade, not an off-season trade. Your attempt to convert it to an off-season sign-and-trade goes against the CBA.

Lakers may not use Larry Bird Rights sign and trade Dwight Howard to a bird contract in the off-season. The CBA disallows it. Dwight Howard can only get a regular, non-bird contract (no extra year, no extra bird raises) if he does a sign and trade. The exact same type of contract that he can get by leaving the Lakers and signing directly with Houston with no sign and trade.

Dwight Howard is an expiring contract. The Lakers can just let him go if they want cap space that badly.

The Rockets are not going to give up any assets for Dwight in a sign and trade if they can just sign him directly in the off-season using cap space. Morey intends to maintain full capspace for this summer's free agent class. And if he's short by a bit for Dwight, he can create that cap space by trading some guys. If Morey maintains full cap space, he's only going to be short by a bit if Dwight wants max. Why would he give Lin or Asik to the Lakers, if he can just trade them (or someone else like some PF's) for picks + expiring/unguaranteed/smaller contracts that can be waived, and thus get assets back and generate the necessary cap space to sign Dwight directly?

The Lakers holding his Larry Bird rights means Dwight is going to leave money on the table if he leaves LA. Doing a sign and trade doesn't change that, since you can't use Larry Bird rights in sign-and-trades to give him a Bird contract. The extra bird year, and the bird raises, are only allowed if he stays with the Lakers using bird rights. Not if he attempts to do a sign and trade with the Lakers.

And the exercise is pointless anyway, since the Laker are likely to resign Dwight, and he's not going to pass up a Bird contract.

And, as for the original trade proposal, which is a deadline trade and not a off-season trade. Howard has said he's not asking for a trade. And the Lakers haven't given any indication they want a trade.