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Racial Hysteria Triumphs on Campus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. KingCheetah

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    Mueller investigation rolls on.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    The University of Wisconsin leads the way by adopting a reasonable policy for dealing with students who disrupt speeches on campus. First time the student engages in violence or disruptive behavior, a warning is apparently given. The second time they are suspended and the third time they are expelled.

    I am not certain about this, but this is about what I would have expected at UT back when I was a student. Of course these days, someone might call them racists if they enforced this sort of rule equally across the board, which is all the justification that unprincipled cowards in the UT administration might need to justify a double standard and a disregard for their charge to protect and promote free speech to ALL political perspectives, even if the the Democrat left does not consider those perspectives to be "politically correct".

    I would love it if the University of Texas would prove me wrong about that by adopting a similar policy. I won't be holding my breath.
     
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    More mentally challenged Neo-Nazi bigots return to Charlottesville.

    This was last night:

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    Their policy seems to cut down on students free speech.
     
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    I don't think it does. The university did not state protests as disruptions. I think they're targeting students who are violently demonstrating or those that actively prevent a speaker from giving his/her talk, eg yelling over the speaker or taking the microphone away. Students are still free to protest behind a boundary line.

    I think that is a good move and other universities should follow suit.
     
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    Yet, yelling out during the speech is a form of protest and speech itself. I'm not really that concerned about it at all either way.
     
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    Have the Neo-Nazi Trump-flakes found their safe space? I was so worried that they would not.
     
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    "Divide and Rule"

    Divide the lower classes so they remain blind to the fact they are the same while weakening themselves and strengthening those in power. Time and time again the average societal member from all over the world falls for this so perhaps we deserve to be participants in these fake race wars.
     
  9. Duncan McDonuts

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    Yelling over someone to suppress their speech isn't free speech.
     
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    This is funny. Enjoy.

     
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    I think it's fair for a university to allow invited speakers the ability to speak. Disrupting others activity has never been protected. If you stop traffic for a protest - it's not protected. If you use your speech to harass someone as they walk on the sidewalk - it is not protected. No where is it written that you have a right to disrupt other's activity, only that you have a right to express your ideas. Students can protest without disrupting.

    The idea that we should shut out ideas versus debate them is incongruent with a pluralistic society.

    What we need to think about is hate speech which is clearly used to inspire violence. I think preaching hate for a specific group should not be protected speech any longer as we're seeing how terrorist groups use hate speech and propaganda to radicalize people and move them to violence. I think hate speech needs to have a very very narrow definition though.
     
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    I'm not in favor of that type of protest. It's just in my opinion I think it is protected as a type of Free Speech. I think it's counter-productive at best.
     
  13. CometsWin

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    Why?
     
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    Because using your voice by speaking loudly enough to prevent someone else from speaking isn't free speech, it's censorship. You are literally preventing another person from expressing their ideas. That's a violation of their free speech.
     
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    Are all types of speech protected? I am excluding yelling fire type speech. If someone give a speech on how one race of people should be the ruler of earth and all other people should be their slaves, or someone advocating mass killing of a group of people, are these types of speech protected?
     
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    Most of these incidents have been in private venues, requiring tickets, which requires the holder to agree to the terms of a "contract". It is also this way at Rockets games, concerts, paid speeches, etc. At these events, the only person who has a right to command everyone's attention is the promoter of the and their agents. Anyone who disrupts the event inappropriately can be ejected from the event or arrested and charged with a crime.

    When speakers are invited to these university campuses, the event is generally held in a hall of some sort, and tickets are distributed. The thing here is, nobody is exposed to this "free speech" except those who voluntarily choose to go out of of their way to acquire or purchase tickets, depending on if their is a cost. No one who does not want to hear this speech will be exposed to it.

    At these universities, it has become a routine practice to try to intentionally stop these conservative speakers from coming - with the assistance of the administration of the university - or to disrupt the event if the speaker does manage to get the event organized. This disruption includes harassing and sometimes violently attacking people who are trying to attend the speaker's speech outside the venue, before it starts. Or as we have seen in many occasions by Black Lives Matter, they disrupt the speech inside the event by making noise and physically running up on stage and effectively holding the event hostage to their agenda. But this happens by students at universities too.

    The goal is to deprive the speaker of their rights to free speech. The disruptors have no more right to act this way than you would to take a group of 50 of your friends to disrupt a Rockets game by running around on the floor and screaming during one of their basketball games.

    What speaks especially badly of these people and their fascist conduct is their desire to deprive others of their rights to assemble and speak, even though they are in no way being exposed to this speech unless they make an effort to do so. It is an affront to our historical identity as a nation, with our people having the express constitutional right to express themselves under lawful conditions. Clearly, these people and their political supporters do not respect that and are trying to force this country by unlawful means to submit to their demands and expectations.

    Is what we want our country to become? No it isn't, and I am confident that a solid majority of the American people agree with me on this. Howl about Donald Trump all you want, but his behavior is not as bad as this and other conduct that we routinely see from the Democrat left these days. And these fascist a-holes are acting as advocates of the agenda of the Democrat left. If you are so bothered by Trump, to get rid of him you first have to get rid of not only these guys, but the identity politics and political correctness obsession that is the #1 central pillar of what the Democrat left is all about these days.

    You have been baffled as to why the American people will not agree with you that Trump needs to go, well now you need be baffled no more. I have shown you how to get rid of him. If you will do it. If not, then don't be surprised if Trump wins re-election in 2020. And you guys who did not get rid of all of this will have nobody to blame but yourselves.
     
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    What type of protest? Be careful too, while today it is young liberal college students preventing people they dislike and stand against for speaking to an audience, tomorrow it might be those on the right stoping even moderates from being able to speak.

    Free speech was never intended to enable someone to shout out another voice. That's not the purpose of the amendment.
     
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    I understand that it must apply to all sides of the equation. I don't like it when the left engages in the type of protest of shouting down speakers. I won't like it when the right does it either.

    I think that is part of the type of unpleasant protest that the amendment is there to protect.

    That being said, I believe security at events can be set up to prevent some of those types of protests and quickly address those issues when they arise.
     
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    I'm curious to hear comments on this situation.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/10/31/56110...y-university-campus-after-criticizing-trump-a
    Christian Writer Banned From Liberty University Campus After Criticizing Trump Ally

    An evangelical Christian writer and pastor says he's been banned from the Liberty University campus for criticizing President Jerry Falwell, Jr., a longtime ally of President Donald Trump.

    The writer, Jonathan Martin, said in a Twitter thread that he was on the campus of Liberty, a private Christian college in Lynchburg, Va., Monday night for a concert by the duo Johnnyswim when he was escorted away by armed campus police.


    Martin said he was photographed and told by Liberty police that he'd be "immediately arrested if I ever stepped foot on @LibertyU property again." On Twitter and his blog, Martin has been a frequent critic of Falwell and Trump, particularly Falwell's "alignment" with Steve Bannon and the movement known as the alt-right, which includes white nationalist and white supremacist groups.

    In a lengthy statement, Liberty University said the university welcomes "peaceful debate," and that Martin was removed because officials believed he intended to hold an unauthorized event on campus. The statement said he did not follow protocols for campus events, that such events require advance notice and authorization and that he was seeking publicity... More at link
     
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