R&R Offense or Why Set Plays are so Infrequent for the Rockets

The Rockets' coaches are more patient with the players than we are.

I know McHale has said several times that games are actually where the players learn, not so much practice. So the reason he did not pull Howard earlier during Hack-A-Howard is so Dwight can learn to take the pressure. Or wait until 3 games to foul on the last play. He's trying to see whether his team can execute.

Why does he allow Harden to do his endgame ISOs? It's his learning time for endgame decision-making. McHale would say after the game, he's actually telling Harden to move the ball but he lives with what his players do. Or why does he keep doing Dwight post-ups?

McHale knows what to do and what his team is doing wrong. Except he's trying to coach up the guys during actual games by letting them commit and learn from their mistakes.

Players' coach

 

No the Spurs run a motion offense. "The" R&R is a simplified descendant in a family of many.

 

I think the problem people have with his offense is that he can't draw a play when it actually matters. His read and react offense takes lots of time to get better at (young teams have lots of trouble leading to lots of ISO plays).

 

On our offense, coaches (I read this from a Chris Finch interview) do not tell players what shot to take, but they do preach on how to recognize a good shot--one that is open, uncontested, created by ball/player movement and one where the player's feet are set or balanced.

They don't mind if shots are missed as long as it's a good shot. That's why they keep telling the guys to shooting open shots because sooner or later the shots will fall.

As to why our offense looks predictable, it's because players revert to their tendencies. We are banking on the fact that our playmakers Harden, Lin and Parsons can beat their men and that Howard can dominate. So far Howard is inconsistent.

But those 3 plus TJones are showing signs of cohesiveness on offense.

 

Try again.

http://www.amazon.com/Championship-Productions-Gregg-Popovich-Favorite/dp/B008BFWD7Y

 

more movement less standing around? u sure?

 

Because you don't really know you're talking about.

I can appreciate you trying to educate folks and do research on read-and-react offense, but man... how hard is it to admit that you're wrong?

... which you have no proof of.

Again, read and react basketball has been around forever. No, I do not think Torbett plagiarized anything. Basketball is a copycat sport. Teams copy others all the time. But Torbett's systems is sooooooooooooo different from anything NBA teams do, that it's a huge reach to believe his system had any influence whatsoever on any NBA team.

Again you are wrong. The Spurs offense is extremely motion heavy. No read-and-react system at all. It's similar, but not the same.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXWsHGeAyQD67l_3TZ8lEbJ0OjQzcCWtt
http://spursmotionoffense.blogspot.com
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/s...otion-and-misdirection-to-lead-grizzlies.html
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/42873/the-san-antonio-spurs-arent-boring

It's extremely frustrating arguing with you since you don't ever seem to admit when you are wrong even when multiple people correct you.
Feel free to respond and make whatever points you wish to make, but I'm done with this topic. Believe what you want.

 

Because this thread isn't about anything anymore. It's literally devolved into astronomers arguing whether Pluto can be classified as a "planet". Nobody cares what you call it. They just want to know if it wins basketball games.

 

Miami is the team you'd pick out if you want an example of a R&R offense of the highest level.

 

Once again, your original post in this thread said the Rockets run THE Read and React offense. And then linked to a Youtube video where coaches were talking about Torbett's "Read and React" offensive system.

His system and the other R&R offenses in the NBA are not the same. At all.

In fact, the first quote in your post from Grantland says "And for me, at least, watching the Spurs read and react to defenses..."

But guess what? Torbett's "Read and React" offense isn't named R&R because players are reading and reacting to defenses. It's called R&R because the offensive players are reading and reacting to moves other offensive players on their own team make.

So that quote from Grantland saying the Spurs are reading and reacting to defenses doesn't even make sense in the context of Torbett's R&R offense.

All NBA teams "read and react" to defenses regardless of what offensive system you are running. You have to know what defense they are playing so that you can adjust accordingly. You cannot run a regular motion offense against a 1-3-1 zone.

Stop trying to save face and just accept that your original post was not correct.

 

lol this post is why "we" get mad that McHale has no structure.

1) Adelman's R&R Offense has pin points for passing entries and picks; high post, elbows, baseline double screens. If the offense stalls, much like it does with ours, there's new avenues to pursue via those points of entries. That's what his offense emphasizes, and we don't see a single ounce of that here right now.
2) The Spurs offense is far more than read and react. If you see it's different than Adelman's but emphasize heavy screen & rolls with flares by their shooters. If you set a p&r on one side, while a shooter, or even two shooters, flare out to the weak side pockets(corner spot, or opposite angle to top of the key) from different starting points(perhaps even on the strong side), it makes the defense guess. It's already confused with the p&r and now you got 1-2 people flaring for wide open shots. The primary ball handler can do what he wants depending upon the defense.
3) The Rockets run ZERO structure in their read and react. It's not read & react, it's pick & roll and drive & kick. It's not read and react. Read and React would involve much more flares, far more off-ball screens, and lots of cuts to random pockets(corner 3, under the bucket). We have none of that. We have zero gameplan if they load up on the strong side of Harden while paying attention to James.

4) Last but not least, again, no defensive structure. We should be far better defensively. We don't hedge a single screen despite us playing two relatively athletic defenders and/or two dominant D defenders(previously when Asik was playing). We don't tunnel the offense into Dwight and/or Omer.

 

while paying attention to dwight*