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Progressive Iranian Soccer Decision

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by HayesStreet, May 8, 2006.

  1. HayesStreet

    HayesStreet Member

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    Iran's women barred from soccer games
    Posted 5/8/2006 1:47 PM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Subscribe to stories like this


    Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, wanted President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to go back on an earlier decision to let women attend soccer matches.

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's women will be barred from attending soccer games, a reversal by the president that comes a month before the national team plays in the World Cup.
    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had ruled in April that he would allow women to go to soccer games and sit in a separate section of the stands. He wanted to "improve soccer-watching manners and promote a healthy atmosphere."

    But Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei — who under the Islamic Republic's constitution has the final say — opposed the move.

    "The president has decided to revise his decision based on the supreme leader's opinion," Iranian government spokesman Gholam-Hossein Elham said Monday.

    Ahmadinejad's decision to allow women into stadiums had provoked outrage among hardline Shiite Muslim clerics, who supported his election last year and who have tightly controlled Iranian society since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

    Iran's Islamic law imposes stringent restrictions on women. They need a male guardian's permission to work or travel, and have rarely been allowed to attend public sports events.

    In 2001, a group of Irish women was permitted to attend a World Cup qualifier between Iran and Ireland in Tehran.

    The monthlong World Cup begins June 9 in Germany. Iran is grouped with Mexico, Angola and Portugal in the 32-team tournament.

    Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
     
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  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Backwards a$$ rules.

    Got to love that hardline theocracy.

    DD
     
  3. mc mark

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    Pretty sad

    Speaking of World Cup

    Team America has decided that its world cup team will travel in a non-descript bus for the duration of the tourney. Team officials have said that they do not want any American flags displayed on the bus and they have asked Americans to not display the American flag in public.
     
  4. MadMax

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    they'll be the only team without their country's flags. so if you're looking to target them, just look for the bus without the flag.

    genius.
     
  5. Saint Louis

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    Then the only thing left to do is bust out the Texas state flag!
     
  6. insane man

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    which proves that ahmadinejad has no power and is impotent and hence everytime he makes a stupid comment we can ignore it or the most part.
     
  7. wnes

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    Cool, forget about the nuclear standoff. This decision alone is ground for intervention.
     
  8. mleahy999

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    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: "Let's keep this strictly a sausage event."

    What are they worried about having women attend these matches, and perhaps even sitting next to... gasp... men?
     
  9. CreepyFloyd

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    99% of the stuff in that article is false

    for example, there is no position within the iranian government known as the 'supreme leader'

    and those 'laws' are simply not practiced

    and women have been attending soccer games for the longest time in iran

    they've also been running the government, political parties, and civil society organizations

    but all this is irrelevant, here's whats important:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060508...TJlP5YUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--
     
  10. insane man

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    vilayat e faqih. he is the 'supreme leader'. you can translate it however you want.
     
  11. CreepyFloyd

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    wrong its:

    velayat-e faqih and the translation is guardianship by the Jurisconsult, and he's elected

    nothing 'supreme' or 'absolute' about his position
     
  12. HayesStreet

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    Creepyfloyd,

    What are your qualifications to make such declarations? Do you have some degree in Iranian politics - or have you worked in the foreign service in Iran or have some other credentials to be considered an expert? Otherwise you need to provide some substantiating material to credibly deny the original article.

    From the decidedly non-western:
    From Aljazeera

    Iran to keep stadium ban on women

    Monday 08 May 2006, 20:41 Makka Time, 17:41 GMT

    Women in protest against gender discrimination last year

    Iran's supreme leader has vetoed a decision by the president to allow women into sports stadiums.

    A government official said on Monday that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei opposed the move by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to allow women on to the stands - a suggestion which caused a furore in the clerical establishment.

    "Iran's Supreme Leader has instructed the government to consider the religious leaders' views and reverse its decision," government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham said.

    "The government will act based on this instruction," he said.

    It marked the first time Khamenei, who has the final word on matters of state in Iran's system of clerical rule, has openly challenged government policy since Ahmadinejad's inauguration last August.

    Several high-ranking clerics had criticised Ahmadinejad's announcement last month that women would be permitted to watch men compete in sports stadiums for the first time since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

    Why is this irrelevant? Since I started a thread on the subject, I'm pretty sure its relevant, lol. Maybe you meant its not important (in your opinion) since you feel such measures are 'progressive.' There is already a nuclear/Iran thread (in which your article might BE relevant - it is not, however, in THIS thread).
     
  13. plcmts17

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    Hey, to be fair I saw a clip of Iranian women welcoming the national team back from a victory over,I think it might have been the U.S., they were going f&*(ing nuts!!!
    It wasn't as bad as Khomeini's funeral but it was quite a display of emotion.
    As far as the flag not being displayed, I think it sucks but as long as it's done for security reasons I guess there is no getting around it.
     
  14. mleahy999

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    I believe his title at the Iranian ministry of information is: Environmental Engineer.
     
  15. HayesStreet

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    Supreme Environmental Engineer...
     
  16. insane man

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    by elected you mean nominated by the guardian council? which is extremely conservative?

    and the 'surpeme' lies in the powers he has.

    Functions and duties of The Supreme Leader

    1. Delineation of the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran after consultation with the Nation's Expediency Discernment Council.
    2. Supervision over the proper execution of the general policies of the system.
    3. Issuing decrees for national referenda.
    4. Assuming supreme command of the armed forces.
    5. Declaration of war and peace, and the mobilization of the armed forces.
    6. Appointment, dismissal, and acceptance of resignation of:
    1. the fuqaha' on the Guardian Council.
    2. the supreme judicial authority of the country.
    3. the head of the radio and television network of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
    4. the chief of the joint staff.
    5. the chief commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.
    6. the supreme commanders of the armed forces.
    7. Resolving differences between the three wings of the armed forces and regulation of their relations.
    8. Resolving the problems, which cannot be solved by conventional methods, through the Nation's Exigency Council.
    9. Signing the decree formalizing the elections in Iran for the President of the Republic by the people.
    10. Dismissal of the President of the Republic, with due regard for the interests of the country, after the Supreme Court holds him guilty of the violation of his constitutional duties, or after a vote of the Islamic Consultative Assembly (The Majlis of Iran) testifying to his incompetence on the basis of Article 89 of the Constitution.
    11. Pardoning or reducing the sentences of convicts, within the framework of Islamic criteria, on a recommendation (to that effect) from the head of the Judiciary. The Leader may delegate part of his duties and powers to another person.
    thanks
     
  17. insane man

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    oops i meant assembly of experts. who still are extremely conservative.
     
  18. CreepyFloyd

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    here we go again, i've discussed this countless times in past threads

    the assembly of experts is a body elected by the iranian people and anybody can run for it and they elect and can either reconfirm or vote out the jurisconsult

    the jurisconsult is essentially the chief of state

    wikipedia isnt exactly the place i would go to get info about politics in iran
     
  19. CreepyFloyd

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    well i wont respond to the personal attacks

    to answer your first question: yes i do

    who ever said al-jazeera knew anything about politics?

    all the people in the media are professional journalists (although some of them are not very professional)...thus, they are reporters and are not area studies experts, scholars, and/or authorities on any subject matter...this is the main reason for a lot of the crap that comes out of most media
     
  20. HayesStreet

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    No, as you showed earlier in the thread, you go to yahoo - lol. When its convenient you pick normal news services - when its not you just claim everything is false.

    Please tell us your credentials.
     

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