I'd rather roll the dice with one of the four QB's coming out this year. They all look like they can play. I think it'd be stupid to invest in a QB this year. I think our record we be 4-12.
It's obvious after pre-season week #1, the Pats, 49ers, and Texans will be the worst teams and the Cardinals should be SB favorites.
Meh, that's not exactly true. The inept Kubiak traded for Schaub, and for 5 years Schaub played near or at a Pro Bowl level. Now we have 3 guys who aren't even a poor man's Schaub. Washington traded up for RGIII. Rams got quite a haul from that. Boldin and Alex Smith were other decent players who got moved recently I'm not necessarily saying the Texans should have done a ton of moves. I just wonder what their plan is. Did they expect to take the same personnel and improve with better coaching? Are they just waiting to have more cap room so they can sign free agents, whenever that is? And the Texans did move up to take an injured player in the 3rd round. Maybe moving down for depth would have been a better move?
Their regular season record for their first year (with those teams)? I did not. I suppose I could at some point later today?
You have predominately spoke about non contract trades (draft picks) where a team can absorb salary and/or another team can take a salary cap "hit" just to acquire talent because they have a bough available space under the "hard cap." The flexibility in the NFL is much more stringent than the nba, and most if not all people who say "just trade them" are ignorant to the financial complications. The texans are still paying matt scrub for instance and that affects their bottom line. Their is a much more delicate path to follow in the nfl, and there are very few "cap exceptions." So...in summation, anyone who suggests a trade without knowing the actual ramifications of that trade for current and future cap purposes is ignorant and can not be taken seriously.
Also, they knew, or at least had to know that they were mailing in this season to an extent. There was not a "drew brees" on the market nor did they have the cap space to get a "drew brees" because rick smith (in summation) is a joke. Part 2 is that they clearly did not like the "upside" of any of the top quarterbacks..so they are playing the waiting game and selling the fans a story if redemption... Which many have bought.
Well if tanking is the plan, then that's the plan. Apparently Rick Smith screwed up our capspace, which was my point. We are rolling out the same personnel because we have no flexibility to do anything else.
Only if you have time sir. And just for the 1st time NFL head coaches. I know it wouldn't be any indication of what the Texans will do this year but "just in case" we don't have a good year it may keep some of us from flipping out over O'Brien because I believe the success rate for 1st time head coaches isn't that great.
I'm glad you see it to that point, it's just a truly sad state of affairs (at least in the hobby of liking football) to have an owner try to sell a point of "not being that far" when in actuality they are. Just look at the draft history of the rick smith regime overall...I am not gauging superstars but just the actual players who are currently making an "impact" on nfl teams in said draft history and it is bad, very bad. When the best draft this team has EVER had was still under a Charlie casserly regime, there is a problem and that problem is the owner. I like the big bob as a guy, at least from a public perspective, but his choice in leadership has been questionable to say the least. I don't need a Super Bowl, but heck, this is literally the second worst "expansion team" in the history of football. I also know hind sight is 20 20, but to be optimistic about this franchise at any point for a super ow was always laughable...when they have had a 12 year history of being unable to even compete with top end teams consistently...not just one year, but consistently.
The success rate for any head coach isn't that great. There are winners (few and far between) and losers, and most are losers; however, if harbaugh (who is a proven winner at all levels) is available and I were the owner (which clearly I am not) I would jump on that in two seconds...harbaugh is not why he will leave sf, it's the yorks.
Harbaugh did take over a complete team though. And San Francisco actually kept their DC when Harbaugh took over. Same with Gus Bradley in Seattle when Pete took over. No guarantee that Harbaugh would have the same success here that he had there. Harbaugh mainly just had to concentrate on the quarterback. The defensive line and offensive line was already in place. The Texans have A LOT more holes.
Not sure if this is what you wanted or were looking for but whatever. Spoiler (Team)(New coach)(1st preseason game result)(Record that year)(Coach's time/results with that team) 2001 Redskins(Schottenheimer)(L 20-0)(8-8)(Total: 1 yr; 8-8) 2002 Redskins(Spurrier)(W 38-7)(7-9)(Total: 2 yrs; 12-19) 2004 Redskins(Gibbs)(W 20-17)(6-10)(Total: 4 yrs; 30-34; 2 playoff appearances) 2008 Redskins(Zorn)(W 30-16)(8-8)(Total: 2 yrs; 12-20) 2010 Redskins(Shanahan)(W 42-17)(6-10)(Total: 4 yrs; 24-40; 1 playoff appearance) 2014 Redskins(Gruden)(W 23-6)(TBD) 2011 Titans(Munchak)(W 14-3)(9-7)(Total: 3 yrs; 22-26) 2014 Titans(Whisenhunt)(W 20-16)(TBD) 2002 Bucs(Gruden)(W 14-10)(12-4; Won SB)(Total: 7 yrs; 57-55; 3 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance; 1 SB win) 2009 Bucs(Morris)(L 27-20)(3-13)(Total: 3 yrs; 17-31) 2012 Bucs(Schiano)(W 20-7)(7-9)(Total: 2 yrs; 11-21) 2014 Bucs(Smith)(L 16-10)(TBD) 2000 Rams(Martz)(W 31-17)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 5 yrs & 5 games; 53-32; 4 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2006 Rams(Linehan)(W 19-17)(8-8)(Total: 2 yrs & 4 games; 11-25) 2009 Rams(Spagnulo)(W 23-20)(1-15)(Total: 3 yrs; 10-38) 2012 Rams(Fisher)(L 38-3)(7-8-1)(Total: 2(+) yrs; 14-17-1) 1999 Seahawks(Holmgren)(L 24-10)(9-7; playoff appearance)(Total: 10 yrs; 86-74; 6 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2009 Seahawks(Mora)(W 20-14)(5-11)(Total: 1 yr; 5-11) 2010 Seahawks(Carroll)(W 20-18)(7-9; playoff appearance)(Total: 4(+) yrs; 38-26; 3 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance; 1 SB win) 2003 49ers(Erickson)(W 24-6)(7-9)(Total: 2 yrs; 9-23) 2005 49ers(Nolan)(W 21-13)(4-12)(Total: 3 yrs & 7 games; 18-37) 2009 49ers(Singletary)(W 17-16)(8-8)(Total: ~2 1/2 yrs; 18-22) 2011 49ers(Harbaugh)(L 24-3)(13-3; playoff appearance)(Total: 3(+) yrs; 36-11; 3 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2002 Chargers(Schottenheimer)(L 24-17)(8-8)(Total: 5 yrs; 47-33; 2 playoff appearances) 2007 Chargers(Turner)(L 24-16)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 6 yrs; 56-40; 3 playoff appearances) 2013 Chargers(McCoy)(L 31-10)(9-7; playoff appearance)(Total: 1(+) yr; 9-7; playoff appearance) 2007 Steelers(Tomlin)(W 20-7)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 7(+) yrs; 71-41; 4 playoff appearances; 2 SB appearances; 1 SB win) 1999 Eagles(Reid)(L 10-7)(5-11)(Total: 14 yrs; 130-93; 9 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2013 Eagles(Kelly)(L 31-22)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 1(+) yr; 10-6; playoff appearance) 2002 Raiders(Callahan)(L 20-6)(11-5; playoff/SB appearance)(Total: 2 yrs; 15-17; playoff appearance; SB appearance) 2004 Raiders(Turner)(W 33-30)(5-11)(Total: 2 yrs; 9-23) 2006 Raiders(Shell)(W 16-10)(2-14)(Total: 1 yr; 2-14) 2007 Raiders(Kiffin)(W 27-23)(4-12)(Total: 1 yr & 4 games; 5-15) 2009 Raiders(Cable)(W 31-10)(5-11)(Total: 2 yrs & 12 games; 17-27) 2011 Raiders(Jackson)(L 24-18)(8-8)(Total: 1 yr; 8-8) 2012 Raiders(Allen)(L 3-0)(4-12)(Total: 2(+) yrs; 8-24) 2000 Jets(Groh)(W 24-20)(9-7)(Total: 1 yr; 9-7) 2001 Jets(Edwards)(L 20-10)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 5 yrs; 39-41; 3 playoff appearances) 2006 Jets(Mangini)(L 16-3)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 3 yrs; 23-25; 1 playoff appearance) 2009 Jets(Ryan)(L 23-20)(9-7; playoff appearance)(Total: 5(+) yrs; 42-38; 2 playoff appearances) 2004 Giants(Coughlin)(W 34-24)(6-10)(Total: 10(+) yrs; 90-70; 5 playoff appearances; 2 SB appearances; 2 SB wins) 2000 Saints(Haslett)(L 24-20)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 6 yrs; 45-51; 1 playoff appearance) 2006 Saints(Payton)(W 19-16)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 7 yrs; 73-39; 5 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance; SB win) 2000 Patriots(Belichick)(W 20-0)(5-11)(Total: 14(+) yrs; 163-61; 11 playoff appearances; 5 SB appearances; 3 SB wins) 2002 Vikings(Tice)(L 27-15)(6-10)(Total: 4 yrs & 1 game; 32-33; 1 playoff appearance) 2006 Vikings(Childress)(L 16-13)(6-10)(Total: 4 yrs & 10 games; 39-35; 2 playoff appearances) 2011 Vikings(Frazier)(L 14-3)(3-13)(Total: 3 yrs & 6 games; 21-32; 1 playoff appearance) 2014 Vikings(Zimmer)(W 10-6)(TBD) 2000 Dolphins(Wannstedt)(L 13-10)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 4 yrs & 9 games; 42-31; 2 playoff appearances) 2005 Dolphins(Saban)(L 27-24)(9-7)(Total: 2 yrs; 15-17) 2007 Dolphins(Cameron)(W 18-17)(1-15)(Total: 1 yr; 1-15) 2008 Dolphins(Sparano)(L 17-6)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 3 yrs & 13 games; 29-32; 1 playoff appearance) 2012 Dolphins(Philbin)(L 20-7)(7-9)(Total: 2(+) yrs; 15-17) 1999 Chiefs(Cunningham)(W 22-20)(9-7)(Total: 2 yrs; 16-16) 2001 Chiefs(Vermeil)(W 20-0)(6-10)(Total: 5 yrs; 44-36; 1 playoff appearance) 2006 Chiefs(Edwards)(W 24-14)(9-7; playoff appearance)(Total: 3 yrs; 15-33; 1 playoff appearance) 2009 Chiefs(Haley)(L 16-10)(4-12)(Total: 2 yrs & 13 games; 19-26; 1 playoff appearance) 2012 Chiefs(Crennel)(W 27-17)(2-14)(Total: 1 yr & 3 games; 4-15) 2013 Chiefs(Reid)(L 17-13)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 1 yr; 11-5; playoff appearance) 2003 Jaguars(Del Rio)(W 16-14)(5-11)(Total: 8 yrs & 11 games; 68-71; 2 playoff appearances) 2012 Jaguars(Mularkey)(W 32-31)(2-14)(Total: 1 yr; 2-14) 2013 Jaguars(Bradley)(L 27-3)(4-12)(Total: 1(+) yr; 4-12) 2002 Colts(Dungy)(W 28-10)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 7 yrs; 85-27; 7 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance, 1 SB win) 2009 Colts(Caldwell)(L 13-3)(14-2; playoff/SB appearance)(Total: 3 yrs; 26-22; 2 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2012 Colts(Pagano)(W 38-3)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 2(+) yrs; 22-10; 2 playoff appearances) 2002 Texans(Capers)(L 34-17)(4-12)(Total: 4 yrs; 18-46) 2006 Texans(Kubiak)(W 24-14)(6-10)(Total: 7 yrs & 13 games; 61-64; 2 playoff appearances) 2014 Texans(O'Brien)(L 32-0)(TBD) 1999 Packers(Rhodes)(W 27-16)(8-8)(Total: 1 yr; 8-8) 2000 Packers(Sherman)(W 37-24)(9-7)(Total: 6 yrs; 57-39; 4 playoff appearances) 2006 Packers(McCarthy)(L 17-3)(8-8)(Total: 8(+) yrs; 82-45-1; 6 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance; 1 SB win) 2001 Lions(Mornhinweg)(L 27-24)(2-14)(Total: 2 yrs; 5-27) 2003 Lions(Mariucci)(W 26-13)(5-11)(Total: 2 yrs & 11 games; 15-28) 2006 Lions(Marinelli)(W 20-13)(3-13)(Total: 3 yrs; 10-38) 2009 Lions(Schwartz)(W 27-26)(2-14)(Total: 5 yrs; 29-51; 1 playoff appearance) 2014 Lions(Caldwell)(W 13-12)(TBD) 2009 Broncos(McDaniels)(L 17-16)(8-8)(Total: 1 yr & 12 games; 11-17) 2011 Broncos(Fox)(L 24-23)(8-8; playoff appearance)(Total: 3 yrs; 34-14; 3 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2000 Cowboys(Campo)(L 38-10)(5-11)(Total: 3 yrs; 15-33) 2003 Cowboys(Parcells)(L 13-0)(10-6; playoff appearance)(Total: 4 yrs; 34-30; 2 playoff appearances) 2007 Cowboys(Phillips)(W 23-10)(13-3; playoff appearance)(Total: 3 yrs & 8 games; 34-22; 2 playoff appearances) 2011 Cowboys(Garrett)(W 24-23)(8-8)(Total: 3 yrs & 8 games; 29-27) 1999 Browns(Palmer)(W 20-17)(2-14)(Total: 2 yrs; 5-27) 2001 Browns(Davis)(W 10-3)(7-9)(Total: 3 yrs & 11 games; 24-35; 1 playoff appearance) 2005 Browns(Crennel)(W 17-14)(6-10)(Total: 4 yrs; 24-40) 2009 Browns(Mangini)(L 17-0)(5-11)(Total: 2 yrs; 10-22) 2011 Browns(Shurmur)(W 27-17)(4-12)(Total: 2 yrs; 9-23 2013 Browns(Chudzinski)(W 27-19)(4-12)(Total: 1 yr; 4-12) 2014 Browns(Pettine)(L 13-12)(TBD) 2001 Bengals(LeBeau)(L 16-13)(6-10)(Total: 2 yrs & 13 games; 12-33) 2003 Bengals(Lewis)(L 28-13)(8-8)(Total: 11(+) yrs; 90-85-1; 5 playoff appearances) 1999 Bears(Jauron)(W 9-6)(6-10)(Total: 5 yrs; 35-45; 1 playoff appearance) 2004 Bears(Smith)(W 13-10)(5-11)(Total: 9 yrs; 81-63; 3 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2013 Bears(Trestman)(L 24-17)(8-8)(Total: 1(+) yr; 8-8) 1999 Panthers(Seifert)(L 35-10)(8-8)(Total: 3 yrs; 16-32) 2002 Panthers(Fox)(L 37-30)(7-9)(Total: 9 yrs; 73-71; 3 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2011 Panthers(Rivera)(W 20-10)(6-10)(Total: 3(+) yrs; 25-23; 1 playoff appearance) 2001 Bills(Williams)(L 24-10)(3-13)(Total: 3 yrs; 17-31) 2004 Bills(Mularkey)(W 16-6)(9-7)(Total: 2 yrs; 14-18) 2006 Bills(Jauron)(L 14-13)(7-9)(Total: 3 yrs & 9 games; 24-33) 2010 Bills(Gailey)(L 42-17)(4-12)(Total: 3 yrs; 16-32) 2013 Bills(Marrone)(W 44-20)(6-10)(Total: 1(+) yr; 6-10) 1999 Ravens(Billick)(L 10-7)(8-8)(Total: 9 yrs; 80-64; 4 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance; 1 SB win) 2008 Ravens(Harbaugh)(W 16-15)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 6(+) yrs; 62-34; 5 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance; 1 SB win) 2004 Falcons(Mora)(L 24-0)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 3 yrs; 26-22; 1 playoff appearance) 2007 Falcons(Petrino)(L 31-16)(4-12)(Total: 13 games; 3-10) 2008 Falcons(Smith)(L 20-17)(11-5; playoff appearance)(Total: 6 yrs; 60-36; 4 playoff appearances) 2001 Cardinals(McGinnis)(L 10-7)(7-9)(Total: 3 yrs & 9 games; 17-40) 2004 Cardinals(Green)(L 23-6)(6-10)(Total: 3 yrs; 16-32) 2007 Cardinals(Whisenhunt)(L 27-23)(8-8)(Total: 6 yrs; 45-51; 2 playoff appearances; 1 SB appearance) 2013 Cardinals(Arians)(W 17-0)(10-6)(Total: 1(+) yr; 10-6)
