1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Pistons waive Josh Smith

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Clutch, Dec 22, 2014.

  1. count_dough-ku

    count_dough-ku Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    17,610
    Likes Received:
    9,063
    He helped fuel the Spurs' 2nd quarter run with a bunch of dumb TOs when the Rockets had a nice lead going.

    Look, I'm not ready to pin the blame on Smith for the Rockets' crappy record since he joined the team. There are a lot of factors in their recent struggles. Ariza's horrible shooting. Bev's inconsistent play. Dwight sleepwalking through games. The lack of defensive intensity. McHale's refusal to play Papa or Canaan.

    But let's also consider this. Before Smith arrived, the Rockets were on a pretty good roll aside from that 2-game home losing streak against the Pelicans and Hawks. The former could be explained away easily by the team being exhausted after playing an OT game in Denver less than a day earlier. And the latter is justifiable since the Hawks have been killing everyone lately(plus Tony Brothers screwed us over that night).

    Since he got here, we're 3-4 with the OT win at Memphis and the blowout at home against Miami the only games worth bragging about. Let's see how the next few weeks go. If the Rockets continue to struggle against crappy opponents and can't beat any quality teams(especially at home), then maybe we can start to question this acquisition and whether or not it may be better to cut our losses short, especially once T-Jones is back.
     
    1 person likes this.
  2. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    Again --

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Rockets are 6-6 in past dozen games and needed double-digit comebacks in four of those wins, three in overtime.</p>&mdash; Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/551229982627098624">January 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    I'm continually surprised by the suggestion that we were firing on all cylinders before these last few games. It's like all those games in the stretch right before he arrived where we either lost or squeaked by on the strength of Harden Heroics never even happened.

    Josh may very well be a problem -- I'm still nowhere near convinced he is a good fit. But we certainly have about 99 more, almost all of which pre-date his joining this team.
     
  3. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    That said, Detroit looks amazing. Waiving him was absolutely, 100% the correct move and I'm equal parts excited and terrified to see what Drummond becomes now. Crazy potential.
     
  4. count_dough-ku

    count_dough-ku Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    17,610
    Likes Received:
    9,063
    The Rockets' recent struggles seem tied more to Howard's return than Smith's arrival. And like I said, Ariza's inability to shoot and Bev's poor play(Miami and Chicago games notwithstanding) are big factors in the starters spotting opponents big leads.

    But still, 3-4 since Smith joined the team is concerning. And there's no doubt, he was a disaster in the starting lineup. He seems to be a decent fit with the reserves, so maybe when all is said and done, this winds up being a move that benefits both teams. We'll know for sure by the time late January is here and we have a larger sample of games to draw conclusions from.
     
  5. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    Agreed on all counts. I still fear he could be a disaster off the bench, if I'm being honest... I guess time will tell. Unfortunately, the Western Conference doesn't afford you the luxury of a lot of it, and we have a helluva lot of other issues to worry about in the meantime.
     
  6. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    Perhaps proof he doesn't need to be in down the stretch, though. x_x

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Josh Smith's minus-42 in clutch situations (last 5 minutes, ahead or behind by 5) is the worst mark in the NBA this season.</p>&mdash; Ben Golliver (@BenGolliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/552696269672439809">January 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  7. count_dough-ku

    count_dough-ku Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    17,610
    Likes Received:
    9,063
    This is where the Smith addition concerns me. Before acquiring him, the Rockets were unbeatable in close games. They also never(or almost never) lost when scoring over 100. Neither is the case anymore. They dropped a 4-point game to the Spurs. A 1-point game to the Wizards. And they've lost despite scoring over 100 against the Spurs, Wizards, and Bulls.

    Again, we can't blame this all on Smith. There are other factors at play. But when a team goes from one extreme to another this quickly and the only major changes in that timeframe are the additions of Smith and Brewer, it's hard not to think Occum's Razor and conclude it's Smith that's the difference. Especially when juxtaposed with Detroit's 6-0 mark since his departure from that team.
     
  8. ferrari77

    ferrari77 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    9,447
    Likes Received:
    1,503
    I know other people felt the same as I did here

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=9439425&postcount=85

    I believe that team will make the playoffs.
    The talent was and is there. They just had J-Smoove and it complicated things on and off the court.

    I'm reticent to blame him mainly for the Rox issues since he arrived. We know the problems go beyond him and kind of started a little bit before he joined the team.
     
  9. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    He was pretty bad in San Antonio, but I don't even think he was in the game down the stretch, was he? I could be wrong, not sure. None of the starters were getting it done vs Washington... that's the one L I'd put on McHale for going away from the guys who got us back in the game. And I'd credit Jimmy Butler for the stalled offense in the last minutes in CHI -- he took Harden out of the game, and Harden *is* our offense down the stretch. I do still think DMo should've been in over Josh, tho.
     
  10. Houston22

    Houston22 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    33
    Well.. if you all argue whether or not Smith is the reason for struggles then one thing is certain:
    he hasn't helped much.
     
  11. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,246
    Likes Received:
    24,297
    I think how much he helps or not helps the Rockets is still too early to tell. You have to give new players time to gel.

    What is certain is that Detroit is playing MUCH BETTER without him.
     
  12. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2003
    Messages:
    11,323
    Likes Received:
    4,118
    You know that's just like you. You can't see that oversimplifying the issue and placing all the blame on Smith isn't the right thing to do? No, you just want to bring up facts and reasonable arguments as to why the Rockets have stalled instead of relying on idiotic gumption and armchair GMing. I'm both shocked and appalled at this.
    <iframe style="display: none;" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" id="rufous-sandbox" frameborder="0"></iframe>
     
  13. NotChandlerParsons

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2012
    Messages:
    4,013
    Likes Received:
    127
    99 problems but a Smith ain't one. I agree, good post.
     
  14. sTeKcOr22

    sTeKcOr22 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,211
    Likes Received:
    46
    Sound no negative after tonight's game?

    Alright. Good.
     
  15. count_dough-ku

    count_dough-ku Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    17,610
    Likes Received:
    9,063
    I said last night that he fit in well with the reserves. That trend continued tonight. And we'll see in time if it's a win-win for both teams. I will reiterate though that the Rockets' recent struggles have to do with way more than just the addition of Josh Smith. We saw it again tonight with Dwight sleepwalking through the first 3 quarters, Bev bricking open shots, and Ariza continuing to struggle from the field.
     
  16. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    33,380
    Likes Received:
    19,243
    Hope Detroit can pull out another win in Dallas.
     
  17. sTeKcOr22

    sTeKcOr22 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,211
    Likes Received:
    46
    Wish this site let you edit your posts.

    What I typed literally made no sense.
     
  18. RudyTBag

    RudyTBag Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    28,105
    Likes Received:
    21,338
    In his 4 games off the bench he has been phenomenal...
     
  19. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    I'm shocked at what Detroit is doing. This is ridiculous.
     
  20. DreamShook

    DreamShook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    70,778
    Likes Received:
    114,790
    Now I want to know what exactly Smith was doing to make Detroit so bad, because now they look like world beaters.. You got every outlet advancing the narrative that Smith is a cancer.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now