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PFT: NBA’s best urged to take less “if they want to win.” Agents, unions unhappy with trend.

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  1. plutoblue11

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  2. DocRock

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    Yea but not for this reason. The owners swindled the players in the last deal claiming poor. Now you have teams like the Bucks selling for half a billion.
     
    #42 DocRock, Jul 6, 2014
  3. Easy

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    I totally agree with you. Removing max contract with a hard cap, or at least a hard enough cap to prevent superfriends with a good bench for rich teams.
     
    #43 Easy, Jul 6, 2014
  4. Invisible Fan

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    The Capitalism is pricing you out of the market with a limited good. Greed is a big motivator in capitalism. Like what Carl said, scalpers rather than fans would benefit with lowered the ticket prices and concession stands.

    Or maybe seats are jacked up to make up for poor attendance rates of games you and other people like you won't pay to watch (Bucks / 76ers yay!).

    No doubt the League is profiting, but that could change direction pretty fast, like the 08 year with things out of their control.
     
    #44 Invisible Fan, Jul 7, 2014
  5. ghettocheeze

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    In reality LeBron is worth over $100 million a year in terms of revenue generated for the team he plays... not to mention the impact he has on the league overall. So, yeah from a pure labor market perspective, NBA players especially superstars are grossly underpaid. It doesn't matter if they make 1000 times more than their average fan. If you as a player contribute to a billion dollar industry, then you should be paid accordingly.

    MJ had the same feud with Jerry Reinsdorf back in the day when his greed led Phil Jackson and others to bail. Upon retirement, Jordan wanted an ownership stake in the franchise that he made into a quarter-billion dollar empire. However, he was shunned by Reinsdorf and so he took his services elsewhere as an owner.

    Point being that at some point it's only logical superstar players that often double and triple their franchises value over a career should get equity in the form of ownership stock options and such.

    Cleveland, prior to Lebron was a garbage franchise, then it became highly valued and even overpriced. Look at what has happened to it since. Lebron is right to demand equal compensation.
     
    #45 ghettocheeze, Jul 7, 2014
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    Cleveland wasn't always a garbage non respected team. They definitely worked hard on that reputation.
     
    #46 Awesome, Jul 7, 2014
  7. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Then that's us. But, Melo and Wife want a big market city, which is why H-Town is reportedly no longer one of the Melo target cities.
     
    #47 Pass 1st shoot 2nd, Jul 8, 2014
  8. DaDakota

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    They did NOT take less - once you factor in the lack of state income tax, they all made MORE...

    That "They took less" stuff needs to end.

    $$$$$ in their pocket over the 4 years was more.

    DD
     
    #48 DaDakota, Jul 8, 2014
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    Maybe I am in the minority but I'm sorry hearing these people cry when they are already making millions of dollars is ridiculous.. I love basketball, played all my life and I am sorry but they should consider themselves lucky to make anything like what they do, let's be serious these guys put a little ball into a hoop. You find a cure for cancer sure come out and gripe about losing millions, put a ball in a hoop I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy.... They need to stop their damn whining and enjoy what they do and be grateful for what they have
     
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    The owners love to get fans saying things like this.

    The players "cry" about their money and fans get angry. The owners "cry" about their money and the fans take their side.
     
    #50 justtxyank, Jul 8, 2014
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    Even for Wade huh?
     
    #51 travfrancis, Jul 8, 2014
  12. Joe Joe

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    Maximum contracts are allowed in states without a state income tax. As the Big 3 each could have signed a maximum contract in a state without a state income tax, they took less.
     
    #52 Joe Joe, Jul 8, 2014
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    The upcoming lockout will be over before lebron, melo and bosh make their decisions on where to sign. - Sources
     
    #53 Thefabman, Jul 8, 2014
  14. DreamRoxCoogFan

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    If all the stars stopped trying to team up and spread around the league, then you wouldn't have to take less, and you wouldn't need 3 superstars to win a title. If you could build around 1 legitimate superstar and draft well and stock a bench with depth and great coaching, it would take you far. But the league has turned itself into one that doesn't value that.
     
    #54 DreamRoxCoogFan, Jul 8, 2014
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    Always!

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    #55 Rocket River, Jul 8, 2014
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    It is still the players' choice whether they want to take a paycut to be teamed up with other stars or not. They can simply choose not to do that and there will be other options for them. Take Bosh to be an example. He can choose to take the Rockets' gigantic (overpaying) offer or he can take less to play with Lebron. It's his choice.
     
    #56 lalala902102001, Jul 8, 2014
  17. JeffB

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    Grantland is getting in on this topic:

    The Miami Heat and the NBA’s Double Standard of ‘Sacrifice’
    Why superstar players seeking max salaries are stuck between a rock and a hard place — while NBA owners are laughing all the way to the bank

    In a time of hushed meetings and amorphous potential offers, the Rockets have transformed a thought exercise into a real thing by presenting Chris Bosh a concrete choice: take a pay cut to stay in Miami, or earn your full maximum salary over a four-year deal in Houston.

    It’s not quite the ideal test case for a new collective bargaining agreement designed with perhaps one eye on engineering “competitive balance” by making it harder for teams to retain superstar clusters. Adam Silver trumpeted that catchphrase every chance he got during the 2011 lockout, but the league’s primary goal during that torturous offseason was to transfer cash from players to owners.

    Silver is sincere in his desire for greater parity, and the easiest path to achieving it is to prevent in-their-prime superstars from teaming up. The new CBA attempted to do that by installing a super-harsh luxury tax. Spend a lot on players, and you’re going to face a crippling tax penalty that gets more severe as you add payroll. Superstars are expensive to sign and even more expensive to keep; the tax was crafted to make the “keeping” part prohibitive.

    But that’s only part of the story. The league also beefed up that tax so more money would flow from big-spending teams to their (mostly) smaller-market brothers, who need those tax proceeds to pad their bottom lines. It is a revenue-sharing mechanism. Any impact on competitive balance would be a happy ripple effect.

    If the NBA really wanted to blow apart superteams, it would pitch extreme solutions — a hard salary cap and the elimination of the ceiling on individual player salaries. But pushing for those changes might lead to another lockout and could produce unknown consequences that might sabotage the league’s goal of competitive balance.

    The punitive tax hasn’t led to Silver’s “competitive balance,” but it has changed spending habits on the high end. Profitable juggernauts like the Lakers and Heat have made painful cost-cutting moves since the lockout. Even the Nets, who have spent as if their owner has no idea there are rules about spending, want to get under the tax for the 2015-16 season.

    The penny-pinching isn’t all about saving owners’ precious scratch. There are basketball reasons for the frugality. As long as there is a salary cap limiting what teams can spend, there will be a real tension between players grabbing as much money as they can and their teams’ ability to sign as many quality players as possible.

    This puts star players in an impossible position: accept a pay cut “for the good of the team” or look like a glutton. When stars take pay cuts to stay together, fans rail against their collusion and call the NBA product a rigged game. When stars chase the money, fans rip them as pigs.

    Meanwhile, minimum-salary players and young guys on rookie contracts literally cannot take pay cuts, and the glut of cap room that comes with shorter contracts has created bidding wars for mid-tier veterans. Stars make the most, and they are the most obvious target for savings.

    The stars can’t win, in part because the NBA has created a system in which a player maximizing his individual income makes it harder for his team to build a competitive roster around him. But are people — media, fans, GMs — overstating the difficulty of that challenge? Maybe the onus should be on teams to spend wisely enough so they can accommodate multiple star players without prodding those stars to “sacrifice” in pointed public comments.
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    #57 JeffB, Jul 8, 2014
  18. JoeBarelyCares

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    How about a compromise - have 2 caps. One cap for your highest paid player, and a separate cap for the rest of your players.
     
    #58 JoeBarelyCares, Jul 8, 2014
  19. DudeWah

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    Yeah. After seeing Hayward's contract something needs to be done. No reason guys like LeBron should be making only 4 mil a year more than Hayward.
     
    #59 DudeWah, Jul 9, 2014
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