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Petition to start Isaiah Canaan

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Harden2Dwight, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. Sanity2disChaos

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    number 2 post since 2009! Where you been my friend!!
     
  2. Hakeemtheking

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    In the 6 games that Canaan, he not only played well for us, he was excellent at the pg. He was so good that there was no mentions on how Bev was missed.

    If this is a personal thing between him and McHale, the latter needs to get he'll over and give the guy the backup minutes. Sigh...
     
  3. Junkyard_Dog

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    So this is sounding like another Kyle Lowry situation. Except this time we don't have Dragic as the backup. Canaan is the best option available to me personally. If there is a problem they need to work it out in the best interest of the team. Canaan is young so he probably will be a hard head, so McHale needs to teach him. Of course McHale is limited as a coach so who knows if that's even possible
     
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    True, but sometimes they are giving him enough space and he still doesn't shoot. It helps Harden if Canaan is more assertive, but it's clear the coaches are telling him to pass if he's not wide open.
     
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  6. finsraider

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    Not sure what you see. I see better 3 point shooting, better finishing at the rim, and a higher FTA rate. If he a finished product? No, but you can see he has a significantly higher impact on the offense than Beverley does just by watching the game......and that's with all the restrictions placed on him.

    A defender isn't going to step out 3 feet beyond the 3 point line to guard Beverley. He's also not going to respect Beverley's ability to beat him off the dribble. The only threat Beverley poses is catch and shoot 3s.
     
  7. eman

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    I'd like to try starting Canaan at the 2 alongside Harden at the 1. Switch roles on defense.

    Let's rest Bev and Dwight a good month. Have them practice FTs and (Bev) corner 3s, and heal up for the playoffs. We should still win enough games with this rotation:

    Harden/Shved
    Canaan/ Terry
    Ariza/Brewer
    Jones/Smith/Pap
    DMo/Dorsey/Capela
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Yes, that is exactly right, Harden is the PG.

    DD
     
  9. gqgeo

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    Signed!

    Bench-5

    Josh Smith, J Terry, Pat Bev, Corey Brewer, T Jones
     
  10. dragician

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    Bad idea. Play him but not start him.
     
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    One of the problems with this team is turnovers and part of that is familiarity with each other on the court.

    I don't see how constantly changing the line up is gonna help that. Canaan should get minutes but more so when Terry or Bev are having an off night.

    Just throwing him in to the starting roll isn't gonna help anything.
     
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    I wouldn't say start, but certainly I think he ought to get some minutes from Terry and Bev. Lets find out what this kid has before the Feb trade deadline.
     
  13. ThisVoice

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    lol we will never be satisfied with any starting PGs on this team
     
  14. CDrex

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    Right. Hence my noting "better scoring".

    Beverley is completely proficient (and, indeed, well above league average) from 3, as is Canaan. Purely in terms of threes we're talking a career .374 shooter who's improved his shooting from last year (Beverley) and a career .376 shooter who's improved his shooting from last year (Canaan). "3 feet beyond the arc" doesn't change math. Look, I like Canaan's shooting. And again, I will push for him over Shved without the slightest reservation. But he is NOT an offensive dynamo. He's a young guard who can shoot slightly better than Beverley, dribble slightly better than Beverley, and (to this point) brings little else to the table.

    I would LOVE to see him get 15 minutes a game starting tonight. And I accept the possibility he continues to improve from there. But he's not a magic cure-all and he takes as many things off the table as he brings.
     
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    Further, in regards to the idea Canaan is more of a driving threat -

    Patrick Beverley takes 32.8% of his shots inside 10 feet. Isaiah Canaan takes 28.3% of his shots inside 10 feet.

    Canaan is certainly somewhat more efficient on those shots, and coupled with his 41% 3 point mark it makes him the more efficient overall scorer, but this picture of him as a dynamic slasher/shooter/playmaker is complete wishful thinking. He's a shooter who can finish well on the occasional trip to the lane. Beverley is a shooter who can't finish but brings defense and rebounding to the table. Both flawed? Sure! Both deserving of PT? Absolutely! Clear advantage to Canaan? No.
     
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    You haven't watched enough actual game minutes if you cannot see a clear advantage to Canaan offensively over Beverley. Watch the games and see what kind of player the kid is. He's an offensive dynamo.....period. No way Bev can do half what Canaan can do offensively. Just because Canaan has been regulated to off-the-ball duties in the minutes he has played here nad just because you're looking at numbers on a piece of paper doesn't mean that Canaan and Bev are similar offensively or that their contributions to this team's offense would be similar. They would not.

    If McHale puts Canaan back in the rotation like he was prior to his injury and if he commits to giving Canaan 30 minutes a game, including all the minutes that Harden sits, and if he commits to letting Canaan run this team from the top when Harden sits you will see Canaan's numbers balloon past Bev and Terry in an instant. That's how good he is offensively and all you have to do is watch him play to see it.

    Pat Beverley cannot pull up on a dime and throw it in from deep like Isaiah can. Pat Beverley cannot come off a screen, catch and pop the ball from deep like Isiaah can. Pat Beverley cannot juke dribble through a double team then juke back outside and throw it in from deep off one leg like Isaiah can. Beverley's release is nowhere near as quick as Canaan's release is therefore he cannot even get off half the shots Canaan can get off. Beverley cannot break guys down and attract defenders thereby getting his teammates the wide-open looks that Canaan can. And Beverley can't create contact, absorb contact, and get to the free throw line as often as Canaan does. Pat Beverley is simply NOWHERE CLOSE to what Isaiah Canaan is offensively. Pat Bev could not do offensively what Isaiah can when he was in college, when he was in euroleague, when he was in dleague, and for sure not now. Pat Beverley cannot do this:

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    Pat Bev cannot do this stuff man. He cannot do it.
     
  17. CertifiedTroll

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    Isaiah is a baller. He should not only be playing, but should get the green light to create his own shot (when Harden is out).
     
  18. finsraider

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    I think you're viewing the ability to shoot 3s (or mid-2s for that matter) in too narrow of a light. It's not just that Canaan can shoot better than Beverley.....it's the type of shots he can take and how defenses react to him.

    Beverley shoots 1 type of 3........catch and shoot. Sometimes he will spot up if his defender leaves him wide open. No pick and pop. No off the bounce.

    What makes Canaan the significantly better shooter is that he can hit the 3 in a variety of different ways and from everywhere on the court. Using your method, Patrick Patterson is a better shooter than Stephen Curry this season.

    And that's not even accounting for how the defense reacts to Beverley and Canaan's shooting. Bev shoots because Harden created the space. Canaan can create his own space, which opens up all kinds of possibilities for both he and Harden.
     
  19. Texanasiafan

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    When you often need to score 140 points to win a game with this lineup, how many wins will the Rockets get for the remaining of the season?
     
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    Good points all. Another one to add is the difference in their releases. Speed of the release is a critical component that separates "good shooters" from "great shooters". When the ball is thrown to Bev, he has to catch, adjust his feet, raise and fire. When the ball is thrown to Canaan he can catch it already in position to fire. It's simply catch, raise, and fire in one continuous motion. That tiny perceived difference is a world of difference to a defender. A defender can slag off of Bev an extra foot or two and congest the driving lanes and still recover most of the time to contest him. That's why you see Bev dribbling around like a blind hummingbird in a phone booth out there all the time when we play good teams. Because they can recover and close out on him.


    Canaan has a very, very quick release. They can't do that to him. They either give up the shot or the driving lane. One or the other. Can't cover both with Canaan waiting to catch and fire. And believe me, that makes a ton of difference to the space Harden has to operate in and a ton of difference in how much space Ariza has to spot up and shoot in.

    Beverley has made himself a decent shooter. He's really about league average. But he's nowhere in Canaan's class as a shooter. No way. No how.

    Canaan is an offensive dynamo. Time will prove I'm right about him on the offensive end. He's either going to bust out big here or we're going to trade him to some lottery team and he's going to start putting up huge globs of numbers.
     

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