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People in Mainland China ... We good now?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sheb, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. idshiy

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    I really don't. we love u guys, whenever ppl met someone from hk, they love talking to them and try to help them all the time. what did we do to u? you FREEDOM is rite there with u!!! we don't want to rule u guys cause we don't care. we just happy that finally hk come back to motherland. u don't pay tax or anything to china, we prove clear water and whatever hk ask us for. and u guys still not happy. I wish u guys can go independent then sink. tourist from china bringing u money, you guys took the money and say mainlanders are so rude and low educated! what's wrong with u guys? which state of America don't pay tax please let me know. Also, what's up with the plan of destroying ur city?! u know in the end u guys are the one paying all the bill for that rite? china will not send their army to hk. I think the current plan is just seat and watch the show.
     
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    that explains why Chinese are so pissed while DM twitted the comment. I don't agree with what China is doing to NBA rite now, but I think DM doesn't get the full pic of HK situation
     
  3. WNBA

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    Also Chinese fans do not get the full pic of the US either. If they have seen how the USA media only show one side of the story and how much hatred they spread toward China, they should know that Morey was under influence and NBA is a reliable business partner.
     
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    While i understand its a tension filled situation, i am grateful to the chinese fans willing to give their perspective reasonably. this has been very informative. it's too bad it escalated so far, and i wish morey didn't tweet that (even though i tend to agree with him), but alot of interesting things beyond the nba are bubbling up. very interesting times.
     
  5. Toffeeone

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    Where did you get all that info and hatred from? Cold War?

    China isn’t totalitarian and I assume you don’t know the difference. China is single party government with limit terms on officials.

    Repressive regime? Every country has its dark period. Just ask the native Indians and blacks. That doesn’t mean it can’t improve.
     
  6. bulkatron

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    I wonder how the Uighurs feel about this.
     
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    They got this info where you aren't allowed to go. Free internet.
     
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  8. Nook

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    LMFAO it isn't a totalitarian government?

    Definition:
    A democracy is a society in which people have a say in their government and elect their leaders. The opposite is totalitarianism: a totalitarian society is usually ruled by a dictator, and there is very little or no freedom. In totalitarianism, the government controls almost every aspect of life.


    China is the very definition of a totalitarian government.

    Further Xi is dictator for life if he chooses to do so. China got ride of term limits for the President and Vice President.
     
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  9. Nook

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    From.......... reality?

    China is a one party state, a party that is responsible for the death of 45,000,000 of it's own people under Mao.

    A state that has complete control of the press and represses any comments that go against the PRC.

    A state that has a President for life.

    A state that currently has 2,000,000 of it's own people in concentration camps.

    A state that controls exactly what is and isn't allowed in books and what is taught in school.

    A state that has admitted to the organ harvesting of dead prisoners and is being accused of harvesting the organs of healthy non criminals in front of the UN.

    A state that has a co-operation of aid relationship with North Korea.

    A state that is tearing down and burning down churches and putting religious leaders in prison

    A state that believes it should get to choose the next Dali Lama.

    A country that has brainwashed their citizens to believe that sovereignty of the state is more important that personal freedoms... much like Stalin in Russia and Hitler in Germany.

    China keeps talking about "one China" and how that is the wish of every Chinese citizen ignoring all the areas of China that don't want to be part of China, the plan being to just destroy their culture and beat them into submission.

    A state where the attitude is "whataboutism" and never considers that the atrocities that they point at took place hundreds of years ago.

    The government of China is just terrible...... disgusting and those that are not brainwashed by and through the state cannot really argue otherwise.
     
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    I imagine the same way Japanese people in the US felt after Pearl Harbor and how African Americans felt for much of US history.
     
  11. Toffeeone

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    I suggest you to read up on China government as it is not a totalitarian state. Your definition is an obscured and full of assumptions. Xi is not a dictator, your very own phrase of stating “if he wants to” is already full of contradictions.

    You are mistaken Russia with Putin way of ruling. Russia is a democracy country but the ruling party acts like a totalitarian state. There are differences only if you want to give it a thought.
     
  12. Nook

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    No I am not. China is a totalitarian regime.

    Xi is not bound by term limits anymore either.

    You may not like it, but China is very much a totalitarian state.
     
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    Xi isn't a dictator in the traditional sense though in that he can be removed by his party.
     
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  14. Nook

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    The same was true of Josef Stalin and the Politburo, but in reality he was the unquestioned dictator.
     
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    Didn't he get rid of most of his foes in the party? ;) Mostly by getting them locked up as corrupt officials.
     
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    Different than Xi. Stalin really was a brutal dictator who violently purged thousands of people to lock in his power.

    Xi is kind of the frontman for a party junta of sorts.

    This isn't meant as a defense of China by the way, or of Xi. They are an authoritarian regime, it's just not a personality cult version.
     
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    If it weren't for the Chinese situation, most of the foreign folk wouldn't even know what an Uyghur is. They are a version of Turks.


     
  18. kanariya

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    Sigh, thanks for posting the video that only shows part of the story. By living in HK you should've known better about the situation. Being an Indonesian yourself. I'm sure you already knew that an Indonesian journalist got shot in the head by Police's rubber bullet and blinded her right eye. The Indonesian gov is trying to bring it to the international court and sue to HK police brutality. No HK police were held accountable for anything they did.

    Like I said the protesters have clear objective. They are very selective because they don't want to hurt any innocents. Usually they just boycott any shops or companies that openly support the police or China. With exceptions below.

    They attacked MTR station after the 8/31 event where people suspect there was death by police brutality. The Prince Edward station was shut down for hours and the head count for injuries did not add up with the hospital record. MTR refused to release any CCTV footages to prove what really happened. Lately there were many reports of undercover police who dressed as protesters might be trying to frame the protesters. HK police admitted that they did deploy undercover in press conference. One witness said he saw them set fire in the MTR station. Retreated then escorted away by the uniform police. One video from few days ago filmed a man dressed as protester with face mask inside a closed/locked down MTR station. Upon questioning him, he used his high power flash light (similar to the police one) to flash the camera and later he pointed a police pepper spray to bystanders.

    The protesters also attacked some shops and grocery stores that are operated by the Triad who randomly attacked the protesters and regular citizen in Yuen Long station on 7/21. Police arrived 40 minutes later after calling for help and they arrested no one at the scene. Video caught the police was casually talking to the Triad in white shirts who's holding rods/weapon. They said they didn't see anything. After that multiple Triad members attacked the protesters with knifes and caused some serious injuries through out the months.

    All the restaurants they attacked were owned under Maxim's Group. That includes a bunch of Chinese restaurants, Maxim bakery, Shake Shack, Starbucks, Genki Sushi and more. The founder's daughter went to UN for a pro-police speech that angered the people in HK. The protesters started with boycotting Maxim's and disturbing their business by forming long line to the restaurant but not actually eating there. Later somehow it escalated to damaging the shops. The protesters also have strict rules on damaging properties that they do not stand with anyone who vandalize.

    The video that you posted with the lady being beaten. She's a well known TVB actress but mostly play support roles. She also attended some pro-police rallies month ago. That day it started with her going to the protesters and provoke them by with taking close up headshots. After the protesters warned her, they got into argument and both side started to be physical. Then she kicked a protester and the protester fought back with a punch in her face. Once the press arrived she played a victim role in front of the camera. It was a 2 side story. Not the protesters blatantly beat up a regular citizen.

    If you think the police is scared to do too much I really don't know where have you been the past few months. It's the major reason why things got escalated this way as of today. They were beating protesters who have been arrested and pinned to the ground. They shot journalists and first-aids (tear gas/bean bag round/rubber bullet). They fired tear gas from top of building and into residential area with babies and elderlies. At least 3 or 4 cases of people got shot blind. They fired live round with no warning to a teenager's chest who was holding a plastic rod. Multiple reports of torture and sexual violence inside detention center. They've arrested more than 2000 people and counting. From 12 years old to 70s years old and a pregnant lady. Carry Lam said 40% of the people arrested were under age of 18. How many of the Triad from 7/21 were arrested? Like 35 or so. Only 8 was charged out of hundreds of them participated. Many of them were caught on camera without any mask. And the worst is that most of the police refused to show their identification (even undercover), no badge ID on their shoulder and they have their face all covered. The new anti-mask ban only applies to citizen but not the police. There is no way to know who to report and the gov is ok with it. If you see a man who's carrying a handgun or baton but do not have identification, how do you know if he's a cop or a terrorist?
     
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  19. Nook

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    I agree it isn't a cult of personality situation.

    Concerning the purge of people to lock in his power, Xi has done that.... estimates are more than 100,000 Chinese have so far been charged with corruption so far under Xi and that includes over 100 high ranking party officials, many military leaders...etc.

    Regardless it is fascinating to see develop.
     
  20. Toffeeone

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    This is exactly why HK in much a mess is due to people like you either choose to lied about the facts and accepted it without logics or details.

    First, the lady who claimed she got shot in the eye by police was too far from the police station. She was standing before a bus stop with glass. She was wearing a google she is not a reporter she was wearing rioters full gears in black. There was a video showing another rioter nearby her holding a BB gun. Police was trying to investigate this matter and has requested her medical record from the hospital showing whether she was shot by the police rubber gun or a BB gun. Her lawyer blocked the court from releasing her hospital record. Why??? Why hasn’t anyone come out and said anything for her from her camp? She kept her silence.

    The prince station, rioters claimed 6 people died yet we see no dead bodies. No one claimed those who “died”. There are literally more news reporters surrounding rioters and police everyday. So why hasn’t anyone post any of those dead bodies???

    It doesn’t matter what that lady was supporting you still have no rights to beat her up. You burn and destroy properties for what???

    I don’t care if you dislike the government it still doesn’t give you any rights to disrupt their livelihood.
     

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