1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Pau Gasol

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by nono, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. ArtV

    ArtV Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    6,891
    Likes Received:
    1,501
    All points are true. Pau is overpaid and I don't want him though I never said he sucks. He plays ok for someone if they made around 7million. 19+ though? No thanks. And over 32? strike 2. My last straw arguement was Lakers don't trade gems especially in a short window. Still true

    I've never wanted Pau - even last year. He's not a guy you build around and we were still looking for a foundation piece. He was a Robin back then, now he's a Robin's Robin and falling fast. But I've been consistant just maybe not in the same thread. It's hard to keep track of the Pau threads which seem to pop up ever other month.
     
  2. rocketlauch

    rocketlauch Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2012
    Messages:
    489
    Likes Received:
    11
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-121203/nba-los-angeles-lakers-issues

    "Should the Lakers try to trade Gasol?"
    Gutierrez: Sure seems like it, especially given the urgency of the Lakers' season. What would be ideal is a stretch-4 in return, one with some athleticism to boot. Chandler Parsons, anyone? He plays some defense, too. Probably would have to take back Jeremy Lin as well, though."

    This guy must be an idiot, he thinks that a trade of Parsons and Lin for Gasol could happen, and that Lin would be a cap relief move for the Rockets, and that the Lakers would be reluctant to take him on (from my impression of what he's saying). Wow.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,131
    Royce White for Pau
     
  4. DonatasFanboy

    DonatasFanboy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10,645
    Likes Received:
    504
    Well, i think the Lakers would be reluctant to take him too. They wouldn't want to pay 8 mil+huge taxes for a backup PG, unless he can really shoot.
     
  5. hooroo

    hooroo Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2003
    Messages:
    18,912
    Likes Received:
    1,504
    And that deal would be Pau Gasol. There's literally no one else. This is the last season of the old tax. So even a team like the Lakers could bear and grin it for one more time.

    http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp
     
  6. ihatekobe

    ihatekobe Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    22
    I swear these ESPN people don't know jack ****. Parsons and Lin for Pau? thats almost as bad as some of the trade proposals on this site.
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,570
    Would "have to take back Lin"? Lol. Some of these "national" writers have no clue about teams other than the "big market" ones.
     
  8. Fullcourt

    Fullcourt Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2007
    Messages:
    7,312
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    lol as if unloading Lin for nothing is something the Rockets' organization would see as a positive.
     
    1 person likes this.
  9. amaru

    amaru Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    16,609
    Likes Received:
    9,729
    Hell no!
     
  10. CisBuds4U

    CisBuds4U Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    5,921
    Likes Received:
    1,840
    I wouldn't trade Parsons for Gasol straight up.

    How about Aldrich for Gasol and the Lakers pay the balance of his salary. Houston might have to take on Steve Blake though. :rolleyes:

    see what I did there ESPN Hackjob writer? I can make bad deals for the lakers too :)
     
  11. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,558
    Likes Received:
    4,502
    There is no way in hell Morey will ruin our cap flexibility to acquire Gasol.

    It goes against everything Morey has been trying to do, get young, get more cap flexible, and get an all-star.

    Pau fits none of these categories.
     
  12. Alex L.

    Alex L. Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,069
    Likes Received:
    45
    Maybe he read this board?
     
  13. RudyTBag

    RudyTBag Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    28,105
    Likes Received:
    21,341
    I do think Pau could be revitalized on a young team. I might give up Patrick Patterson for Pau Gasol, but that's about it.
     
  14. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,570
    Here's what I am thinking might work if Morey wants Gasol (which he may not), kind of a 2-step process to take advantage of the salary rules so that the Rockets can take on Gasol's salary without forcing Lakers to take back too many pieces:

    First, make Trade #1:

    To Toronto: Cole Aldrich
    To Houston: Andrea Bargnani
    Then immediately make trade #2 (Bargnani can be packaged in a trade because the Rockets are under the cap when they trade for him):

    HOU to Toronto: Marcus Morris, Daequan Cook
    HOU to LAL: Andrea Bargnani
    LAL to HOU: Pau Gasol
    TOR to HOU: Alan Anderson​

    (Toronto would take on Marcus Morris salary and Daequan Cook's salary with a part of a $7.6M trade exception generated from the Aldrich/Bargnani trade. It should be all kosher cap wise.)

    So, the sum of these trades would be

    HOU trades Morris, Aldrich and Cook for Gasol and Anderson
    Toronto trades Bargnani and Anderson for Morris, Adrich and Cook
    Lakers trades Gasol for Bargnani (and generating a $9M trade exception).

    Toronto gets out from Bargnani's salary and gets a younger, cheaper spread 4 in Morris (who is also Lowry's Philly homeboy) and two expiring contracts.
    Lakers gets a more D'Antoni friendly PF, cut $9M/year from their payroll, and more in terms of tax.

    Maybe I am over-valuing Morris. If so, then add Jones or Motiejunas or Smith.. just laying out a salary structure that works.

    Basically, the idea is to involve a 3rd team, trade one or two guys on a rookie deal for someone making something like $8-12M (examples: Ryan Anderson, Paul Millsap, Bargnani, maybe Josh Smith), then flip that guy plus others for Gasol. This would allow the Rockets to take on Gasol's salary while giving up the least amount of $.
     
  15. noppeper

    noppeper Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    362
    Likes Received:
    425
    I'm amazed that I can write this with a straight face, particularly given the inexperience and youth of the Rockets, but it seems to me that Pau Gasol could potentially move this team into the upper echelon of the NBA; if not this year, next year for sure. I believe, based on his uninspired performance just before getting traded from Memphis, and his subsequent rise to elite status with the talented Lakers, that if motivated and with the right group of guys around him, he will get back to being a dominant force.

    I'll elaborate...

    With the Rockets, he basically improves all the deficiencies currently displayed from the PF position. Other than his mid-range, which is comparable to Patterson's, Gasol is clearly superior in all other facets of the game to anybody the Rockets could have at PF (and could realistically get in the market). Just last year he averaged 17 and 10, with almost 4 assists and 1.5 blocks a game. He gives the team a legit post player, which is a current weakness. But most importantly, he's skilled to finish all the pick and rolls the team is trying to run with Asik. I think that being the beneficiary of all the passes from Lin and Harden in pick and rolls will keep Gasol motivated.

    A motivated Gasol is an asset to any offense, but given the current makeup of this team, he will be invaluable to our many times porous defense, and would make him and Asik a formidable defensive front line. If Parsons continues to ball like Battier on steroids (or better yet, like a Lamar Odom!), he'll also be a great complement to Gasol. (Remember how successful those Memphis teams were when Gasol played with Battier?)

    I can understand having trepidation to trade for him, given his age and the questions surrounding his health. But if healthy (and motivation picks up...), he is absolutely worth the money and would be the perfect addition to this team. Also, his stock is ostensibly low enough to mean that the Rockets won't have to trade away a core piece to acquire him.

    Maryo, si puedes, hazlo.
     
  16. DonatasFanboy

    DonatasFanboy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10,645
    Likes Received:
    504
    Regardless of what the Rockets think of Lin, his contract runs for 3 years so it would hurt the Lakers plans for LeBron/Melo that they clearly seem to have.
    There's also huge tax, and I'm not so sure that D'Antoni would even play Lin big minutes with that roster, regardless of what happened in New York.
    So from the Lakers point of view, they probably would look at it as having to take back Lin and ask to get paid to do it.
     
  17. split41

    split41 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,504
    Likes Received:
    343
    I have faith in Morey to avoid Pau like the plague unless it's a Douglas for Gasol trade, even then...
     
  18. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,570
    Lol. No.
     
  19. DonatasFanboy

    DonatasFanboy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10,645
    Likes Received:
    504
    pretty much, re motivation. There's no way, if you watch the Lakers, that you don't think there's a huge motivation/frustration issue right now. Whatever knee issues there are and however misused he is when next to Dwight, there's also a huge mental aspect to his struggles. D'Antoni clearly sat him down vs. the Magic because of it. Just watch his body language. There was an obvious change between the 1st half when he was having a great game and the end of the game when he utterly sucked on the offensive end. When he's frustrated he seems to lose his passing ability this year, for some reason. He starts forcing bad shots and passes.
    I wonder if he's not yet at a point where he hopes for a trade.
     
  20. DonatasFanboy

    DonatasFanboy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10,645
    Likes Received:
    504
    yeah well, LeBron > Lin
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now