Gasol has a perfect body to play this game. In fact, a unique body. Looking at his size, wingspan, frame, athleticism, mobility, coordination, feel for the game, versatility and brain, it was obvious that the potential was there. Brain means also potential.
Morey has said all along that the plan was for PP to go to the Dleague...so I don't see the huge need to give him minutes in preseason or for coach to really give him a lot of time.
You've got to be kidding me. Bringing up the Okafor vs DH case as evidence for your high-risk high-reward philosophy? That was just 1 instance. For every Okafor you give me I can list 3 other high potential guys who didn't pan out in the league, much less average a double double their entire career. Let me start of with Slowmile Swift, Saer Sene, Kwame Brown, follow up with Kenyon martin, Eddy Curry, Robert Swift and finish it off with Darko Milicic, Olawakandi and Hasheem Thabeet. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you can guarantee that high flying, shot-blocking prospect will become the next Dwight Howard then maybe you have an argument. But basing on the success rate of guys like these in the league you can't really fault anyone for passing on them to take the safer choice. If LS doesn't pan out then you'd probably be all over DM anyway for taking such a huge risk. Just for kicks I'll also mention Carl Landry, Joakim Noah and Brook Lopez, three player who were seen to have limited upside/potential but were safe, heady players who had a working skillset. How did these three guys work out?
You are just upset that I called you out over your last great potential pick, Sean Williams, over Brooks or Landry? http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2970353&postcount=1
I am not upset. I told you I know you are an idiot and I understand why. You have no life accept to make negative comments to people who aren't even talking to you. So enjoy yourself sitting in front of your mama's computer, trying to find your peepee in all that fat while you masturbate to free p*rn. Don't worry about me. I am not judging you.
My comments were not negative. If you go back to my response, there were no personal attacks or insults about you or your family. The comments were just showing how many posters felt the same way about Sean Williams over guys like Brooks and Landry in previous drafts. I am not going to make cracks about your mother or life.
P.S. I have made the same comments about Sanders or other players to other fans during work breaks. We never ask each other how brave the other person is have a different opinion about a player on another team. We may have arguments about which player is better, but it's never about being brave to have our own opinion.
Sanders is raw. There is no way he would be a better backup to Yao. Where did you determine this by looking at a summer league game. The guy has to get the experience.
Come on, don't act innocent here. If you are going to be a jerk at least own it. Your point was to throw it in my face that in the past I don't know what I am talking about. That is your right. But don't think your attitude goes without consequences. As for Sean Williams yes I thought he would be a great pick at 26. Fortunately the Nets thought he was much more valuable than a 26th pick and drafted him at 17. Let me also be clear, the amount of info and video on players has grown exponentially since then and what I was basing it on was the little video I had on this kid who appeared to have great athleticism and upside. The one negative is he seemed to have an attitude problem or maybe he was a bit of a mental case. Getting kicked off your college team when you are such a good prospect is a major red flag. But he worked with John Lucas who gave the kid his approval. ANd I thought that was good enough. Williams still has athleticism. He still seems to have a skillset that is not common in the league. He also hasn't shown the mental fortitude to play in this league. The same goes for Dorsey who I liked very much, almost as much as Morey. I liked him because he was this raw athletic specimen. But again he was a head case. I know think it is a big risk to take a chance on athletic head cases. (By the way I think TMac is a headcase.) As for Sanders he is not a head case. Everything that I can see is he is the opposite of that. He takes orders very well and wants to learn. He appears to love the game of basketball. And he has more natural talent, is a better shotblocker and a better offensive player than Dorsey or Williams. By the way I have made it clear on this board I like PP. I think he is going to be a solid player for this team for a long time. There are some things that Hayes does better than him but it is my opinion given a little more NBA experience he will be better than CHuck Hayes and should be a main part of our rotation. That doesn't change the fact that IMO Sanders brings a rare skillset that we and many other teams in this league salivate for. WHo knows maybe I am totally wrong. So before you bash me for liking some other players do a little research. If you really think Sanders sucks after watching all the video on him. Than so be it. I will disagree but I will respect that. But don't try to show I do not know what I am talking about because I liked Sean WIlliams. By the way once I saw Brooks and Landry in the summer league I was impressed. But that was also the first time I saw them. I didn't even know who they were before then.
Patrick will be alright. He hasnt had that much PT and it's going to be hard to get adjusted to game speed with minimal time. Barring injuries or just a huge emergence in his game, he won't see too much time this year.
How did you determine that he might not be a better backup than Hill and Miller, from the summer league. Yes he is raw, is shot is inconsistent. But he is a defensive specialist. ANd he does that much better than hill who is probably just as good as Miller defensively. Sanders is a defensive specialist. He does that well.
How did you determine that Sanders is a defensive specialist from the summer league. So, he's in the Chuck hayes category. Sanders has played 0 regular season games and has no NBA experience/raw, but you think he will be a better backup than Miller. Get real!!!! and come back to earth.
This. I'm not sure where this idea that Patterson has 'limited upside' is coming from. Like Morey said, he's the same size as Al Horford when Al entered the league and has a 7'2" wingspan. He was a super-efficient scorer in college, he's got a well-developed offensive repertoire both in the post and from the floor, and he makes great decisions with the basketball. He's physical, aggressive, and has a great attitude. The only concern is his rebound rate, but that may be attributable to Cousins. That sounds like a stud in the making to me. So many times you hear people talk about players like Whiteside and say 'What an athlete! If we can just teach him how to play basketball, he'll be amazing!' The problem is that those kind of skills are very difficult to learn, and players like that frequently bust. We won't know who was right in the Patterson/Sanders debate for a few years, but I'm very happy with our pick.
don't forget that patrick patterson was fastest power forward in the agility drills and his vert was 5 inches higher than sanders.
He looks tenative to me, and not a guy that seems to be a "Go to" type of players. Admittadly, I have not seen much, but so far, not impressed all that much in him. Still, as I said, Landry was crap in the summer league and struggled early, so....who knows. If Patterson plays this year, that means one of two things. 1. He has earned playing time over veteran players = good 2. Injuries to players above him = bad. Let's hope for 1...if he plays at all. My guess is he is headed to the Rio Grande Vipers. DD
The team is really deep this year. Injuries will be the time and opportunity for Patrick to step up. I am not sure what people are expecting from this guy this year. He looks like will get better as he gets more minutes.
I don't disagree with anything you say DD. I was just making the point about his "potential" aka athleticism. He does look very uncomfortable out there, and I didn't get a chance to see the last game when he put a very good stat line in 18 min. 6 points, 9 rebs (4 offensive), 3 assists, a steal, and +18 +/- (2nd highest that game after Bud). I think the only thing that I have seen so far is he appears to have a very good mid-range shot. I know his FG% sucks right now, but when I have seen him he just looks very comfortable shooting those shots. That comfort level is something that some players can never seem to transfer from the practice court to a real game. Jordan Hill comes to mind immediately as a comparison. We've heard about how his range is very good and he nails shots in practice, but in the games he just looks so tenative when he should be shooting the open shots without a thought. Anyhow, some D-League time might serve him well, and allow him to get playing time that it looks like he needs to adjust to Adelman's system.
