Include 4s and 5s. Possible candidates: Shaq Duncan Dream Barkley Robinson Garnett Dirk Malone Kemp Rodman Deke Ben Wallace Ewing Yao Pau Mark Gasol Zach Randolph Dwight Sheed Aldridge Bosh Blake A. Davis And I'm sure that there's some that I'm missing. No rules, just explain why you did what you did. Can be top 5, 7, 10 15, ect. Doesn't matter. This should fun. :grin:
I'd put Camby in there. The man was a hustler. Rebounds when you needed them, defense to close out games. And a mean right windmill against JVG.
What about Antiono McDyess before the injuries? Same with Antonio Davis when he was dope. Jermaine Oneal before the injuries. Dale Davis as a an who could play Shaq one on one...
GOAT Status Shaq Dream Duncan Tier 1 Malone Garnett Barkley Tier 2 Dirk Robinson Ewing Yao Tier 3 Dwight Kemp Aldridge Honorable Mention: Rodman, Zo, Sheed, Bosh
1. Duncan: longevity + championships 2. Dream: because Clutchfan. 3. Robinson: despite what Dream did to him in the WCF, he was the MVP for a reason. 4. Ewing: He was the reason for the Knicks' success. 5. Webber: bc I liked him since he was a Wolverine? *shrugs* He made that King's franchise relevant in his tenure. 6. Barkley: because he's not a role model. 7. Rodman: DPOYs, Championships, would've ranked higher but he's a complimentary player while the above are franchise players.
Off the top of my head Hakeem Shaq Duncan Robinson Ewing Unibrow Malone Garnett Barkley Dirk Webber Bosh Kemp Zo Pau LMA M Gasol Yao Griffin Randolph Zeke Dwight Sheed B Wallace Rodman Players listed within 1 or 2 spots are probably interchangeable Besides Jermaine, those guys are clearly inferior to the other players IMO.
It's really difficult for me to consider Dirk among these other names as a "big." He never played like a big. I don't mean that as an insult to him either. He was entirely unique and he put his team on his back to win a title. But when I look at that list, he stands out as someone completely without a big man game...on a list of "bigs."
LMAO.... it's not that serious He's 7' He averaged 8+ rebs multiple, multiple seasons He can't dribble He's been listed at the 4 his entire career He defended PF's He posts up
I would probably put Dirk and Robinson in Tier 1 - both of these guys were MVP and Robinson was a beast prior to Duncan's arrival. Dirk as much as I dont really like him completely revolutionized his position as a stretch 4. Here would be mine: GOAT Status Shaq Dream Duncan Tier 1 Malone Garnett Barkley Dirk Robinson Tier 2 Ewing Rodman Webber Mutombo Tier 3 Dwight Yao Alonzo Yao would be tier 2 if he was healthy more during his prime unfortunately that did not happen. Webber was a beast prior to microfracture and I was tempted to put him Tier one because I felt he was that good but everyone else in my tier one had won at least one MVP award. Rodman was a true freak of nature defensively and probably the best defensive player I have seen outside of Hakeem.
I would put Dirk in Tier 1. Not too of an argument but he has passed up everyone but Shaq and Malone in scoring, and will pass up Shaq in scoring this season. Dirk was pretty under-rated when he was in his absolute prime. He would put up 35/10 with 5 assits easily on some of those early to mid-2000 Mavs teams. I would also put Dwight in Tier 2. In his prime, he was a 22/14 with 3bpg and won 3 consecutive DPoTY awards. Much better stats and accolades than anyone in your tier 3 and even better than some in tier 2. In my opinion, Toronto-Bosh is better than prime-LMA.
Dwight has to be in at least the same tier as Yao. More personal accolades and has been to the finals and conference finals.
I'm going to go by actual on-the-court talent. 1. Hakeem Olajuwon 2. Shaquille O'Neal 3. Tim Duncan 4. Karl Malone 5. David Robinson 6. Patrick Ewing 7. Kevin Garnett 8. Charles Barkley 9. Dirk Nowitzki 10. Chris Webber 11A. Alonzo Mourning 11B. Yao Ming 13. Dwight Howard 14. Chris Bosh 15. Dikembe Mutombo 16A. Elton Brand 16B. Amare Stoudemire 18. Ben Wallace 19. Dennis Rodman 20. Blake Griffin 21. Lamarcus Aldridge 22. Shawn Kemp 23. Pau Gasol 24. Brad Daugherty 25. Marc Gasol 26. Aryvdas Sabonis (NBA), if we included other accomplishments 27. Kevin Love 28. Zach Randolph 29. Horace Grant 30. Rony Seikaly 31. Joahkim Noah 30. Q
With that logic, you would have to consider Magic and Bird bigs also although Magic was listed as a PG most of his career. Magic could obviously dribble but Bird could not.
I like your Tier approach ... I highlighted some of my personal favorites ... and guys I hadn't seen mentioned before that really stand out as a TALENT that was never fully realized on the NBA level 1 - All-Time Top 20 H Olajuwon T Duncan S Oneal 2 - HoFame 1st Ballot K Garnett K Malone C Barkley D Nowitzki D Robinson P Ewing 3 - HoF Destiny A Davis B Griffin D Howard L Aldridge D Cousins 4 - HoF Borderline C Webber A Mourning M Gasol K Love R Wallace P Gasol C Bosh Yao 5 - Hall of Defensive Fame D Rodman D Mutumbo B Wallace M Camby T Chandler D Jordan J Noah M Eaton J Williams T Ratliff A Bogut 6 - HoF Talent Wasted / Injured A Sabonis S Kemp D Coleman Z Randolph A McDyess A Stoudemire L Johnson A Walker B Daugherty J Oneal J Smith G Oden D Manning J Mashburn V Baker L Odom C Boozer E Griffin M Beasley M Fizer A Bynum B Lopez 7 - Underrated AllStar S Abdur-Rahim A Horford A Mason E Brand S Marion A Jefferson H Grant C Robinson K Willis B Grant C Oakley D West J Howard A Davis T Gugliotta D Lee A Jamison D Davis 8 - Unknown Potential A Drummond R Gobert G Monroe N Vucevic N Noel J Embiid H Whiteside