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Packaging Parsons and Asik for third star?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Zoplicone, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. kuku

    kuku Contributing Member

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    Let's compare Gallinari to Parsons and see who is the better player.

    They are both 24 and starters in WC. It's only fair to use per36 stats. 2012-2013:<PRE>Player Age G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
    Parsons 24 76 6.0 12.3 .486 2.0 5.2 .385 1.5 2.0 .729 5.3 3.5 1.0 0.4 1.9 15.4
    Gallinari 24 71 5.7 13.6 .418 2.1 5.6 .373 4.5 5.4 .822 5.7 2.7 1.0 0.6 1.7 17.9</PRE>

    Parsons was better in FG% while Gallinari scored better by shooting more FT's. All other stats are close.

    Advanced stats. 2012-13:
    <PRE>Player Age PER TS% eFG% TRB% AST% TOV% USG% WS WS/48
    Parsons 24 15.3 .584 .567 8.3 15.6 12.7 18.3 7.0 .121
    Gallinari 24 16.7 .561 .495 8.9 11.2 9.8 21.3 7.2 .151</PRE>

    Parsons was better than Gallo except PER, TOV% and WS/48

    Statistically it's debatable who was the better player. You can also use those stats and argue that Durant is better than LeBron. However there is one advanced statistical measurement shows how players impact the game--RAPM. Better players almost always have higher numbers. RAPM showed Gallinari was a much better player than Parsons.

    2011-12 RAPM
    <PRE>Player ORate DRate Rate Poss
    Parsons -0.5 -0.2 -0.7 6994
    Gallinari 1.8 1.4 3.2 5310 </PRE>http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2012.html

    2011-12 RAPM
    <PRE>Player ORate DRate Rate Poss
    Parsons 0.5 0.6 1.2 5210
    Gallinari 2.3 1.8 4.1 4509 </PRE>https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2013-rapm-non-prior-informed-updated-march-30

    Gallinari impacted the game on a level that was far superior than Parsons. However, one player suffered a serious knee injury while Parsons' career is on a upswing. Parsons will probably be the better, efficient shooter career wise, but as far as his RAMP numbers are concerned, his ceiling is Gallinari.
     
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    Asik and Lin + <filler> for Chris Bosh + <filler>. That's the only way it'll work. Rockets' filler might be Parsons. Bosh is a near max to max player especially when he's given more freedom in the offense. I believe most of the problems why CB isn't performing well is due to LBJ and DW demanding more of the ball and he's playing out of his true position (mostly C, while his natural position is a SF/PF tweener). He'll be a perfect fit with the Rockets though...
     
  3. pnr

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    Gallinari can create better for himself and scores more reliably because he knows how to draw fouls. Parsons is a better playmaker. Defense is a wash.
     
  4. Fair Dinkum

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    You want to trade...

    Asik+Lin+Pasons (filler) for Chris Bosh??!!

    Hell NO!
     
  5. Zoplicone

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    They wouldn't include Lin
    It would be
    Asik + Parsons + Trob + White for Bosh.

    Then we'd sign a veteran sf and win the championship
     
  6. Zoplicone

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    With Harden being one of the best players in the game, and a bosh/Howard front court, we'd be pretty unstoppable. And Lin is no scrub either.

    Bosh/Howard would easily be the best PF/c combo in the league.
     
  7. pwnyxpress

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    You...do realize that those are numbers from LAST season right? RAPM isn't put up for 2012-13 yet, and even your own post references that it is from the 2011-12 season.

    We aren't comparing Gallinari last yr to Parsons last yr...I would imagine Gallo was better than freshman Parsons. We're talking about comparing them NOW, and also (tangentially) how well they'd fit on the current Rockets team.
     
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    Nm, just saw that the link for your second category is actually RAPM up through March 30 of 2013, which makes it a bit more relevant. Ignore the bulk of my earlier comments.
     
  9. Zoplicone

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    Harrison Barnes and Parsons had very similar rookie years stats wise. We'll see what Barnes does this season.
     
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    I like RAPM as well, but wish I just knew a bit more about it and how much weight to give it. I mean, based on the 2013 figures, Kevin Durant is down at #33, well below Gallo.
     
  11. kuku

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    I actually emailed Jeremias Engelmann, the creator RAMP numbers, and asked if he has the 2012-13 season available. He referred me to that site but indicated as "similar information."

    We know he was hired by an NBA team this year. His RAMP numbers will probably never be available to public again. That's bad news for fans like us.
     
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    That would be too bad. I wonder if there are other similar metrics that might be useful as well. Just stumbled on this, but a bit too early to know how valid its results can be.

    http://youhavenogame.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/197/
     
  13. kuku

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    There are lots of so call "new advanced metrics" this year. Everyone wants to fulfill the vacuum created by Engelmann. If Engelmann still puts out his RAMP's, they wouldn't exist. I don't think anyone really knows how Engelmann came up with his numbers, and in that sense, he is quite a genius. At least, he is finally getting paid what what he has been doing for a decade or more.
     
  14. MONON

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    Asik, Lin, Parsons for Bosh ain't happenin'. If we need filler with Asik & Lin, then Greg Smith probably would do. I doubt the Heat would accept Royce White.
     
  15. digitallinh

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    LeBron, Durant, Melo also play power forward, George plays shooting guard, etc. I don't see your point.

    Parsons is actually pretty terrible as a playmaker. When he's not being assisted, his shooting numbers are really low. Go look it up.

    The difference between the two is, Leonard has more talent (athleticism) and plays better defense. Leonard btw is also better at dribble drives to the rim, so not sure where you gleaned that opinion.
     
  16. Zoplicone

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    Agree with everything this man has said
     

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