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Our record without Dwight is actually better this season

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HtownRock, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Uhh, no Morey has not done a ****ty job this season. He did a ****ty job hirring McHale years ago which bit us in the ass this season, and then obviously JB turned out to be a flop despite most on here and several around the league touting him as a legit coaching prospect. **** happens. But that's for another time.

    As for your "brilliant" question there, who is the worst? Why is he the worst?

    On the trade, honestly you're embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't understand the value of a high draft pick locked into a 3-4 year awesome contract vs someone you can sign in less than half a season's time.

    Of course they would make those trades if it were Harden. Howard is not as good as Harden. There are trades teams would make for Curry that they wouldn't make for Harden, does that make Harden a bad player?

    And no, if Whiteside/Jordan were put into that deal and they were on expiring contracts and wouldn't promise to sign an extension, they would absolutely not make that trade. Please understand that you don't give up 2 first rounders for a 40 game rental - unless that trade is going to make you as good as the best team in the league. Dwight Howard is not the difference between Boston being able to beat GSW or not.

    You hold him up to whatever you want. We were going to overpay whoever we got that summer because there is a premium involved in playing for a non big market team. Dwight accepted 22m, he's not stealing 22m from us. We offered it to him knowing full well he's in athletic decline, he's not very good in the post, can't hit FT's, smiles after losses, or whatever else you're bringing up. The fact that a guy in his 12th season is not worth the max contract he signed after back surgery is not a shocker, and it's not on Dwight. We do not value him at 22m currently.

    The whole point here is: with or without Dwight. That's what we're talking about. What is Dwight worth. He's going to be offered 15m+ by multiple teams, which is about double the league average salary next season IIRC. Double the MLE. Are you going to sit here and tell me Dwight is not worth double the MLE? What would have been $10m this season?

    Dwight is not helping us offensively, of course. He's not supposed to. He's been told to focus on garbage points. When approached about getting more touches after the Jazz game, he repeated 3 times: "I would just like to get a win." That's the kind of guy he is.

    You're right, he's not playing his best, but few people on this team are and it's an indication of management and coaching culture when the practice is so widespread among players who just last season who crying, bleeding and sweating out there on the court for McHale of all people.
     
  2. HtownRock

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    You still didn't answer why Howard's on/off numbers are worse than Ariza and Bev.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2016/on-off/

    Bev : +6.7

    Ariza : +3.5

    Howard : 0

    And remind me again how much he's earning?

    Just stop embarrassing yourself, man.
     
  3. rocketman84

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    I don't understand this logic. If we were .558 with him over the last two seasons, but sub .500 this season, wouldn't that stand to reason that the percentage of wins without him would also regress from .653?

    If that's the case it doesn't matter because neither is good enough given the talent on the team. Yes Dwight sucks, but so does everyone else on this squad
     
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  4. HtownRock

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    Why are you keep including the draft picks anyway? If Dwight was so valued around the league as you say, then most GMs would've ran to us to make a player-to-player trade deal. There were millions of ways in which the Dwight trade could have happened before the trade deadline. It didn't. The very fact that nobody wanted to give away even a player of slight value in exchange for Dwight shows his trade value is sh,it right now. You're just not getting it, or in complete denial.
     
  5. Mathloom

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    He is an expiring contract who won't consent to an extension. He has no future value. Why on earth would anyone offer anything of value unless it was going to get them a championship within this season only? For the love of God, this is not rocket science. This is just league standard stuff.

    Yes I did. I asked you who was the worst.

    Here's another note for you: by your logic, KJ McDaniels is the best player on this team, Beverley is almost as impactful as Harden, and Harrell is a superstar.

    Maybe we should trade Harden too?

    Brilliant logic. I get why you don't like Morey, you think he's doing what you're doing and coming to a different conclusion. lol

    Addressed it. You've clearly run out of answers though, because you've stopped responding to anything. The classic "oh I've debunked this a million times" which means "I once said something and I thought it was brilliant!"

    Couldn't even think to say something I didn't just say. Classic end to a weak argument from you. And the two stars on your thread - on a board that doesn't really like Dwight - to top it off.

    Thank you and good night.
     
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  6. YOLO

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    LOL just reading Mr +/- Htownrock try to post is such a joke. he avoids all points and questions. Even when he tries to answer them, it has nothing to do with the original point. Default answer: dwight is a cancer.

    Newsflash: People know Dwight's faults. We don't need you to keep trying to act like you're the first to discover his attributes.
     
  7. HtownRock

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    No. Morey wanted to trade Dwight. That's was an official news. We just couldn't, because no team want to give away any player of value. End of story.



    KJ McDaniels played mostly in garbage time and Beverly's playing time significantly overlaps with Harden's. Nice try, but come up with different excuse next time.
     
  8. HtownRock

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    Dwight is the cancer, and you know it.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    He certainly is when he is pouting, or is not the focal point, he just goes through the motions.

    Not a guy you can count on.

    DD
     
  10. HtownRock

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    You can always count on him to give up on his team, as he did in ORL, LAL, and now in Houston.
     
  11. HtownRock

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    People don't know enough about to what length Dwight is hurting this team. That's the problem.
     
  12. HtownRock

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    That's such a lousy excuse. Are you saying we signed him full well knowing that he would be this shi,tty at the end of his contract year? HE IS STEALING from us because he's not doing his job on his part, despite earning the most on this team.
     
  13. #Pursuit

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    Montrez and go small ball
     
  14. HtownRock

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    Anybody but Dwight would be a huge plus at this point
     
  15. TheFreak

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    The record without Dwight this year is interesting and flies in the face of the narrative spun by the DMo fan club around here that he was the Rockets' savior last year when Howard was out. Although, why should I or anyone else be surprised when yet another assertion leveled by the BBS agenda crew turns out to be false?
     
  16. Liberon

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    Most if not all Clutch fans knew this guy had drama queen problems to go along with a deficient and declining game. If we could go back would you guys keep Asik and his solid effort and superior positioning defense, properly timed picks/screens, and rebounding?
     
  17. daywalker02

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    Howard this year is not half the Howard of the past
     
  18. daywalker02

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    I'd probably go with a hybrid like Tim Duncan light.

    Asik is mediocre at this point (rebounding still being good)
     
  19. Sidarma

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    Why are we payng this lazy bum max money omg, yes we play without him.
    We dont need him here
     
  20. HtownRock

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    2 points 5 rebound 6 fouls. just pathetic.

    we are paying $ 22mil to this scrub.
     

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