Our mindset over free-agency thought / approach suggestion!!

As Donald Rumsfield stubbornly said, "you go to war with what you have, not what you want" (referring to a question from a soldier about upgrading the M16 rifle)

Schaub is not elite, he is not my ideal type of QB, but he is pretty good & seasoned & gives us the best chance to get to the show considering anything else- Peyton scares me & going green ala TJ is not what is best for now when we are so close. Schaub must be on track to get healthy for this to work out tho. - crossing my fingers

I feel Arian will reluctantly be designated as the franchise player tender from Texans management. Of course both parties want a long-term deal, but the Texans have to tag someone, and I'm sure the understanding will be a deal will follow soon if they go this route. $7.7 million is a fair starting point for a RB who is truly elite anyways.

I have a feeling Mario could work out- the expense may be felt down the road, but the Texans window to get to the big show is now. . .nonetheless, Mario is too expensive to tag, and a dicscounted+backloaded deal is the only way- if there is a way- & could cost the Texans as stated in the next few years- maybe not a big deal if 2013 is when we all get to enjoy it, but still

 

uh oh.

 

We really didn't need another Peyton Manning thread.

 

GO TEXANS!

 

why in the thread title you say "Our" when is your opinion?

so when do you want to sign Peyton? If you sign him before he gets healthy, you are going to get a high-risk qb.
If you wait till he is healthy, a lot of teams with more cap, would pay him much more.

and with one hit manning could have a career-ending injury, and we wasted another chance with yates as our QB, and will have to look for a QB in the free agency or going with delhomme. ( I dont want that)

and do you think yates is going to lead us to the superbowl?
I dont think he is elite, and Im not sure he is not going to be that good, like the superbowl qb winners you mentioned.

And nobody has done 19-0, and you think with an old and hurt Peyton, we are going to do it?

 

1) I don't think Peyton would sign with us if it meant having to compete with Schaub for the starting spot in training camp.

2) If we signed Peyton Manning, I think Schaub would request a trade before training camp because he isn't interested in having to prove himself again, either.

3) The timing of bringing in Peyton Manning is such that you pretty much will have to guess at whether he will have a full recovery. I don't want to hinge my teams Superbowl chances on a guess.

4) Look how far we got last season with TJ Yates as QB. Schaub is better. Our defense could conceivably be better next season than it was this, with our rookies and young players having another year of experience and a full OTA/training camp to work with Mr. White Hair. I think stating that Schaub can't win a Superbowl for this team is oversimplying.

 

Raven Lunatic nailed most of this; but I’d like to add:

Here’re the last 10 Super Bowl-winning QBs, excluding Dilfer, ranked by their career QB rating:

1. Rodgers, 104.1
2. Brady, 96.4
3. P. Manning, 94.9
4. Brees, 94.0
5. Warner, 93.7
6. Roethlisberger, 92.1
7. Favre, 86.0
8. Johnson, 82.5
9. E. Manning, 82.1
10. Elway, 79.9

Schaub’s career QB rating is 94.0. I’m not by any means arguing Schaub is among this class of QBs – but to argue he isn’t good enough to win a Super Bowl is a head-buried-in-the-sand opinion. He’s most assuredly good enough to win a Super Bowl.

If that is indeed the goal, then please defend any notion that Peyton Manning pushes us any closer to that happening.

He is 9-10 in the postseason. He’s been to the playoffs 11 times, won 1 Super Bowl, two AFC championships and been one-and-done seven times. Given his talent and the team’s regular season success, it is impossible to rate that as anything beyond disappointing.

It took him seven years to reach/win the Super Bowl; prior to, he was 2-6 in his first six trips to the postseason. Since winning the Super Bowl in 2006/7, he’s 2-3 with a Super Bowl loss.

And now he’s 36 and trying to recover from an injury that cost him an entire season and has led to persistent whispers of his career being in jeopardy.

And you think he gives us a better chance than Matt Schaub?

 

This thread is now about that cold, calculated assassin known as Milhouse.

 

Paging Castor27. Please merge this with the one of the other stupid "Let's sign Peyton Manning", so that we avoid thinking that this is serious free agency talk.

 

this is where i disagree. schaub is good enough to NOT LOSE a super bowl but he will never win you one if you know what i mean.

 

that is such a cop out answer and really doesn't make any sense. He's done plenty in his career to make big plays in his career to win a game.

It's almost like saying Eli really didn't win those games, but his WRs did by making amazing catches.

 

The Texans will do well not to lose more than two free agents of their own. They don't have any money to go get other guys.

 

not really, i think Eli CAN WIN you a super bowl. in the last SB he made some ridiculous rifle throws and his deep passes were 100% accurate. my point is that schaub can't make those throws but he doesn't have to if you have a great defense and great running game. schaub is good enough to NOT LOSE. there's nothing wrong with that.

 

For his career, Schaub completes nearly 65% of his passes, which is an alarmingly high rate. And he is routinely among the league leaders in YPA, so he’s not by any means a dink-and-dunker.

So that means… 35% of his passes are going to hit the turf. He’s not going to hit on every one. So I think it’s wildly disingenuous to focus on those as a means to discredit him.

Specifically, IIRC, he had a pretty dominant 3Qs against the Saints. I know he wilted in the 4Q – but he was also playing without Arian Foster, who likely would have shouldered more of the load down the stretch.

Still, he threw for a ton of yards, 3 TDs, the team scored 33 points… It again seems wildly disingenuous to focus on a few plays here or there he didn’t make when we have a whole bunch of plays that day he did make. EVERY QB is going to miss throws; some have plain bad days. Don’t build too high a standard here.

We’ve been ‘round and ‘round on this throughout the forum; I think Schaub’s late-and-close #s are very good and vastly underrated. He’s done a lot of really good things where, unfortunately, too often the team has let him down. If Chris Brown could gain a yard, if Kris Brown could make routine kicks, if the 2010 defense wasn’t one of the worst in the entire history of this sport… I think we’d all view him, and this team, vastly different.

A lot of fans are bottom line fans- a loss is a loss, and if you think W/Ls are a fair way to evaluate QBs, then, yeah – Schaub has come up short. But I don’t often look at things so black and white. I think he’s, overall, been very, very good, and I would argue he’s established himself as a guy who can handle the big moments. Unfortunately, he didn’t get a chance to do that this year but here’s hoping to a healthy recovery and another solid 2012 season for him to prove me right.

 

well last year Alex Smith and Joe Flacco were one mistake away from going to the SuperBowl.

Do you think those two are QBs that can lead to a superbowl?

Before last year, everybody thought Alex Smith was never going to lead the 49ers to a NFC championship game, that nobody believed the 49ers took a QB in the draft or in the free agency, becuase they believed in him.

Alex Smith played two great playoffs games, with no interceptions or fumbles.

So my point is that if alex smith could lead the 49ers to the superbowl ( he would've done that if those 2 fumbles didnt happen) why Matt Schaub (a much better QB) cant lead the texans to a superbowl?