Orl meet with mavs about Dwight, orlando also prefers lakers offer over rockets

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As much as I don't want to admit it....I think Hennigan and Morey have a wink wink deal already in place and maybe with or without Lakers. Think about it why haven't we found a backup center for Asik yet or why was White and Jones signed b4 Lamb was. why trade for Johnson who plays just like Jones. Maybe I thinking too much about this but its not off base by any stretch being that reports are saying Howard might be traded by the end of the week. A month after Jones and White were signed

Lin
Lamb
Parsons
Motiejunas
Howard

Toney "Teach me how the Dougie" Douglas

 

lamb was signed couple of hours after white and jones, so I don't think it had anything to do with the dwight trade. we took johnson so we don't have to trade away youth talents like pat2 or parsons for their salary cap.

 

lamb was signed couple of hours after white and jones were. If it was dwight related, it would be just a few hours. so I don't think it had anything to do with the dwight trade.
It is true that the rox don't have a backup 5, but a lot of nba teams don't have one either. no to mention that we have 2 7 feeters.
I believe the rox took johnson so they don't have to trade away youth talents like pat2 or parsons for their salary cap.
At the moment, I think the rox are completely flexible to go either way.

 

I think they would be a the 3rd best team in the East behind both Miami on sheer talent and Boston with talent and depth .... Dont believe they would beat either team in a seven game series.

 

We are not keeping our rookies if we trade Dwight,you think Morey is going to trade for Dwight and put him in a rebuild situation with rookies?

If we get Dwight expect another big move for a star to pair with Dwight.

 

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suck it, dallas!!

 

I don't agree. Teaming up with Deron Williams in the prime of their careers with an owner willing to do whatever it takes to win is a blueprint for a championship team, at least in theory.

 

thanks JR for the find :grin:

Co-sign

 

NO, LA's offer is not the best. They have the best quality player compared to the others mentioned in trade talks, but the Lakers are far from having the best trade offer. A borderline all-star, 20+ ppg scorer in Kevin Martin, solid versatile post player in Patrick Patterson, 1st rounder with untapped potential in Marcus Morris, a plethora of picks to offer(2 1st rounders, 3 2nd rounders, plus the Rockets' own 1st rounder next year) as well as 1 or more of our 4 1st rounders that will be playing in the NBA for the first time this year. The lakers have no cap room to absorb ****ty ORL contracts, NO picks at all for the next two years, and few if any desirable players to throw in to a trade for salary-matching purposes. These are all facts. So how again does LA's possibe offer, or any of the other offers that have leaked as potential trade partners that ORL supposedly prefers possibly beat Houston's offer? Our worst, low-ball offer still beats all the others, and only Houston can sweeten the deal. None of the other suitors can do that.
All that said, DH12 is such a whiny, immaturish child, I'm really starting to prefer the idea of going all in with the young guys and drafting well for the next 2 years and rebuilding with youth and $30million in cap room for future free agent stars

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...-young-assets-will-make-dwight-howard-a-laker
This is a bunch of BS!!!! Really this idiots think we stockpile all of these assets for the Lakers to get Howard?! Idiots!!!!!

 

To make matters even worse for the Mavericks, they will be severely hampered in their ability to "dump" Marion's huge contract. Typically, in order to dump a contract like that, the price is something around two first rounders. Unfortunately for Dallas, they will be largely unable to trade first rounders for the next several years due to the first round pick that they owe . . . the Houston Rockets.

Due to the Ted Stepien Rule, the Mavericks cannot be without a first round pick in consecutive future drafts. They currently owe a top-20 protected first rounder (through 2017, then unprotected in 2018) to Houston, and they do not own any other teams' future first rounders. This means that the only future first round pick the Mavericks could convey in order to dump Marion next year would be "Dallas's first round pick in the draft that is two years after Dallas fulfills its obligation to convey a first round pick to Houston." We'll call this the "Undesirable Future Mavs Pick".

Just about the only realistic scenarios I can envision for Dallas to dump Marion would be for them to agree to a trade before/during the 2013 NBA Draft, whereby they would select a player for the other team (which would need to earmark $9M+ of its cap room or non-guaranteed salary for Marion) with their 2013 first round pick and then trade that player's draft rights AFTER the draft, along with Marion and either (a) the Undesirable Future Mavs Pick or (b) multiple future second rounders.

Outside of this scenario, I think it would take an utter act of idiocy by another GM to help out the Mavericks. Sadly, there are certainly a few GMs out their who could foot that bill.

 

What about the chances of a wink wink arrangement a la Richard Jefferson?

 

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/201...rom-the-magic-but-his-options-remain-limited/

There has been a puzzling tendency around the NBA over the last 24 months to exaggerate the Mavericks’ cap space. It infected the discussion of Dallas’ grand plans to sign both Howard and point guard Deron Williams, even though the math most generous to the Mavs showed that they couldn’t have carved out nearly enough cap space this summer to actually pay max deals to both players.

As things stand now — and things are always subject to change — the Mavs should be able to barely squeeze in a max deal to Howard, who will be eligible for a starting salary on his next contract of $20.5 million. But the math is tight, and the idea that the Mavs could chase a second potential star in free agency is currently fanciful.

To wit: The Mavs, as of this moment, have $34.2 million in guaranteed money for the 2013-14 season committed to four players: Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Vince Carter and first-round pick Jared Cunningham. There has been mass confusion about the status of Carter’s deal, but according to Deeks and other sources, $2 million of the veteran shooting guard’s $3.18 million deal for 2013-14 became guaranteed when the Mavs did not waive him on June 30; that amount has been factored into the $34.2 million figure above, as has the customary 120 percent rookie scale figure for Cunningham.

But the rules — those rules again! — say the Mavs must account for eight empty roster spots, up to 12, by adding eight rookie minimum salary charges at $490,180 a pop. Toss those in, and you’re up to $38.1 million. Even assuming a very nice 5 percent bump up in the cap level from $58 million to $60 million, the Mavs would have about $21.9 million in cap space — just enough to fit Howard’s $20.5 million max salary, but not enough to upgrade the roster in any other meaningful way.

The Mavs could trim about $1 million off that figure by using the stretch provision on Carter’s deal, but this $38.1 million amount doesn’t account for a number of other potential charges: cap holds linked to a pile of outgoing free agents, including point guard Darren Collison, a useful young player, and just about everyone Dallas acquired this summer; a cap hold linked to guard Roddy Beaubois, once thought to be a core piece of the Mavs’ future but now sort of on the outs there; shooting guard O.J. Mayo’s player option, which he may well decline; a team option on shooting guard Dominique Jones; any money for second-round picks Jae Crowder and Bernard James; and the possibility that Dallas might keep and use its own first-round pick in next year’s draft.

Again: All of this is workable for one of the league’s brainiest front office regimes. The Mavs can renounce all their free agents, sign Crowder and James to non-guaranteed deals for 2013-14 (and simply cut them), trade Marion’s expiring deal ($9.066 million with and early-termination option at Marion’s choice) between now and next season’s trade deadline (a real potential game-changer) and pull lots of other simple moves to open up Howard-size cap space. Dallas will have the sign-and-trade route, a path Brooklyn and the Lakers will not be able to use next summer, since those two teams will be at or above the payroll level where the new collective bargaining agreement prohibits teams from entering into sign-and-trades.

So it’s fine for Howard to use the Mavs as a threat, and for all of us to place Dallas as the three-time Defensive Player of the Year’s theoretical free agency front-runner. But let’s not go overboard in detailing Dallas’ potential cap space, or forget that the Mavs will have to somehow field a full roster around the Nowitzki/Howard pairing if they do pull it off. Howard is worth these machinations, but they are tricky.

 

dude, the magic aren't trading dwight ...... get. over. it.

 

Lame article talking out of both sides of its mouth.

Howard to become a Laker because the Lakers can't offer the deal the Magic want, but Houston can? Well, then Houston can just trade straight up with Orlando.

 

This. This is why Morey is playing 3-D chess. Even if the Mavs do get their hands on Howard they will be substantially worse off IMHO because they won't really have a team.

The Heat didn't win the championship until this year when they put together a team with superstars AND talented bench support. It didn't hurt that they added Battier.

This is why I also think if / when we do trade for Howard it will be two deals:
(1) Martin + T. Jones + PPat + Morris + Forbes + Douglas + filler + 2 1st's (DAL = irony!, TOR) + 2 2nd's (CHA, 1 NY) for Howard + JRich
(2) Livingston + $3M for Duhon (use the money to buy out Livingston)

Orlando sheds 2 of 4 bad contracts & gets T. Jones + PPat + Morris + 2 #1's (as well as their own #1) & a high 2nd to build going forward.

I would also then LOVE to see Houston go after G/F Corey Brewer (DEN). Offering JaJuan Johnson + filler + NY 2nd.

Also pick up some depth still available via free agency (Fesenko, Barbosa, Almond) with 2 year contracts (2nd year = team option)

2012 - 2013 Rox Starters: Lin + JRich + Parsons + DMo + Howard
Bench: Duhon + Lamb + Brewer + White + Asik + Fesenko + Barbosa + Almond

That squad might not beat OKC & the Clippers in 2012 - 2013, but could probably stand up to the rest of the Western Conf., including the Lakers.

In 2013 if Howard leaves, you have enough money for Bynum or Ibaka or Jefferson or Okafor AND Iguodala or Mayo. If Howard stays, you still could probably attract Iguodala or Mayo.

IOW, heads I win, tails you lose. :grin:

 

So a 30 year old, first time GM is going to stake his employment and legacy on Bynum's knees and a bunch of bad contracts; when he could do a deal for youth, picks and cap relief that would set him up him to work 3 or 4 years building his own team?

It's not in his own self interest (always motivation #1)

It's not why you hire a young hotshot (he'd get bored with no moves left to make)

It doesn't sell tickets (trade down from Dwight to Bynum and put the same, old team on floor)

It doesn't improve the value of the team going forward

 

OMG people if we trade for Dwight we are not keeping the rookies,you think Morey is stupid?He wan't trade for Dwight and pair him with Lin/rookies,if we get Dwight we will make another move for a star.

Do you honestly think Dwight will stay to play with Lin and rookies,when he can go to Dallas/Atlanta?