One of the best defensive plays in the history of Jazz Basketball

We struggled last night offensively. Thank goodness the Jazz can't hit open 3s.

I'm afraid this defense can work sometimes. It only works of Harden doesn't take the open mid range shot ever.

 

I mean yes, technically that’s a midrange as is the floater. It’s a shot outside the paint but within the 3 pt line. This is common knowledge amongst coaches, b-ball personnel. But I can see why the type of shot makes it confusing as well. Either way harden can’t ignore what is the majority of (realistic) scoring space going forward. That floater needs to be thrown around more

 

A jump hook “in the lane” is a shot “outside the paint”?

 

Well let’s make sure we’re on the same page. Jump hooks have been taken pretty far out. Yao used to take them half-way-three quarters of the way from the restricted area to the FT line. If it’s in the restricted area or immediately around it I’ll call that the paint.

Harden takes his floaters from pretty far out at times and that’s midrange

 

That’s fine.

Here’s the page I’m on. I said Harden was hesitant to shoot midrange shots. Some poster replied he was not hesitant, he was just missing. I said he didn’t take any midrange shots. That poster then insisted that a floater is a midrange shot. I said if it’s a shot that can contested by a defender at the rim then common sense tells me it’s not a midrange shot and further linked to his shot chart which showed he took zero 2-point shots outside the paint and only 1 outside the restricted area.

 

Exactly. Harden isn't taking the shot that is open but instead is waiting to go all the way to the paint for Golbert to send his floater to another dimension.

Harden is a far superior shooter to someone like Westbrook. I see him take quick pull up mid range jumpers all the time. When the defense gives you a wide open space in the mid range area, take the god damn open pull up j.

 

That’s a pretty fair assessment honestly. And I agree with your end point, he can’t be hesitant. That’s like 75+% of the realistic shooting space

 

You’d think a guy who’s an 88 percent shooter from the charity stripe would be comfortable taking a pull up 15 footer.

If the Rockets can make the adjustments that allow him to consistently dump off to Capela or an open three point shooter, then I’m fine going with that rather than the midrange. But some variety in the attack isn’t a bad thing either.

 

Unless you have access to Harden’s practice sessions this statement is not possibly true. He avoids those things like the plague. Only 6% of his total shots were from 10ft to the 3.

 

I've brought this up so many times. An open shot at the charity stripe during the course of the game is a midrange. It's probably the last step in Harden's evolution to being TRULY unstoppable but it boggles my mind that coaching staff / GM don't address it. Its glaring and the spurs series shows exactly why. CP3 is huge in that he can hit it, but I would also like james to

 

He was talking about Westbrook.

 

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Harden just doesn't shoot the shot Jazz gave him at a respectable percentage. He is most comfortable at getting separation from stepping back/sideways, not from charging forward and stopping. Also, I think Morey/MDA's philosophy is even in that situation, they would rather have an open three point shooter taking a shot rather than Harden taking the mid range shots, after all, Harden still draws two defenders and someone should be open. Our coaching staff should figure out ways to put our shooter in better positions so that it's easier for Harden to hit them and harder for the defenders to rotate.

 

The pull up open J is not as open as everyone thinks when your primary defender is draped over your back.

Easier to get space from defender when they are on your hip but not when directly behind you.

CP3 can still take/hit those shots because Jazz are not defending him like they are Harden.

 

It’s a shame that harden is literally the only person in the league that is defended this way, because I think it would be interesting to see how other superstars would look against this type of defense.

 

When they give him the wide lane he has some time when he goes down hill to create separation. That's why when they play him like this, when he gets the ball on the other side of the court, he shouldn't slow it down with the slow dribble and instead make the quick move with the momentum he already has when he was jogging the ball up the court. That is the only way he'll get enough separation behind him to have a clean open mid range shot which should be easy for him as he is a great shooter.

The way he beats the defense consistently is by making the quick move and take the open look given to him. He isn't Simmons. He shouldn't be deathly afraid of taking those open looks.

 

So you don't think it's ridiculous, but admit that it LOOKS RIDICULOUS.....hence contrarian dumbass. 3-0 says it's ridiculous. And this is just one of your many examples of being a dumbass contrarian. I don't need to specify to you what your own history of posts contain, you wrote them.

This site is called ClutchFANS for a reason:

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Contrarian: Someone who likes to be the opposite of the majority or have the opposite opinion of the majority. Someone can be a contrarian because they don't like people, like to be different, thinks that the minority is better or just like getting on people nerves.

Someone who automatically tends to take the opposite point of view from the person to whom they're speaking, or to disagree with society at large out of a sort of knee-jerk reflex.
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Contrarian: Um, do you have strawberry?
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I don't think I need to define DUMBASS.

 

So Budenholzer and Snyder are dumbasses for implementing this strategy, since presumably it is not ridiculous to them.

Here's an idea. If you disagree with someone, say "I don't agree" and make your points. What you're doing right now, in this thread, contributes nothing to the discussion and only reduces the quality of the forum.

That's the depth of your analysis, huh? No comment on whether the Jazz made a defensive adjustment in game 3 that affected us? No comment on our game 3 offensive rating being the worst since we faced -- let's see, oh interesting -- the Bucks in March?

What type of poster decides to log onto a forum to personally insult someone for unspecified reasons rather than engage in an actual discussion on the topic at hand? I think there's a name for this ...

 

Besides the sniping, really good conversation in this thread. That's why I love this site.

 

Harden missed the shot. So, maybe it was good defense?