Olajuwon or Nowitzki - Best International Player of all time

ACL1 · Nov 11, 2014

Dirk , did not ever face the defense that Dream did. he did not have to battle double and triple teams day in and day out to earn his 27k points.

Richie_Rich · Nov 11, 2014

So are we really getting worked up about what Cuban and his Dallas rag think about all time great basketball players? Really?

Let that sink in for a moment.

bumbum09 · Nov 11, 2014

I really feel that Cuban is trying to antagonize the Rockets organization and fans especially now that both teams are at the same level of talent. I think he is savvy enough to know that rivalries sell tickets and get you on national TV so he’s trying to intensify what little resentment exists between the two teams.

smr6 · Nov 11, 2014

Cuban ruined his own argument when he pointed out Dream played in an era of dominant bigs. And yet Dream was still able to stand out as possibly the best among them.

RockingRox · Nov 11, 2014

smr6 said: ↑

Cuban ruined his own argument when he pointed out Dream played in an era of dominant bigs. And yet Dream was still able to stand out as possibly the best among them.
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Cuban's miserable trying to cover up his bias. He just couldn't. While both were good at offensive end, Olajuwon's defense was SO much better than Dirk's. Not even close.

WinkFan · Nov 11, 2014

The only way there is even a discussion is if you ignore defense.

chievous minniefield · Nov 11, 2014

Interesting trivia...

The world's best basketball is in Texas.

Greatest all-time from Africa: Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Rockets
Greatest all-time from Asia: Yao Ming, Houston Rockets
Greatest all-time from Europe: Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
Greatest all-time from South America: Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs

And if we'd have swung that trade...

Greatest all-time from North America: Michael Jordan, "Houston Rockets"

And though not a continent...

Greatest all-time from the Caribbean: Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs

Pretty crazy.

DonnyMost · Nov 11, 2014

Our hand has been forced. We must nuke Dallas from orbit.

pass_to_Hakeem · Nov 11, 2014

DFWRocket said: ↑

Man, I can't even believe their comparing the two, but what do you expect from the Dallas Morning news. for me its no contest - Hakeem all the way. Of course Idiot Cuban picks Dirk.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...with-signature-moves-are-best-of-the-best.ece

Pull up a barstool. This debate is going to get heated.
In NBA history, who is the No. 1 all-time international player?
We could set parameters, such as players born in a U.S. territory, like a certain superstar in San Antonio, are not eligible.
But even if you open the discussion to every player not born in the 50 states and District of Columbia, astute NBA fans would quickly figure out that it boils down to a select few when talking about the very best foreign players.
Steve Nash and Tim Duncan are certainly in the conversation. But if you value scoring and championships as the two greatest criteria, then it really boils down to two players who became legendary in Texas — Dirk Nowitzki and Hakeem Olajuwon.
The international arm of the NBA has grown in reach. Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Pau and Marc Gasol — and in past generations Arvydas Sabonis, Drazen Petrovic and Sarunas Marciulionis — all have stamped themselves among the greatest basketball players who weren’t born on U.S. soil. And Duncan and Nash can make their claims to being tops.
But when you are talking the best of the best, it really comes down to Nowitzki and Olajuwon.
“First of all, I’d take either one of them,” said Oklahoma City coach Scott Brooks, who played with Olajuwon and has coached against Nowitzki. “But really, I’d hate to have to choose. Both of them revolutionized the position they play.”
Revolutionizing the game
On Tuesday night against Sacramento, the German-born Nowitzki will line up for the jump ball needing 17 points to pass the Nigerian-born Olajuwon for ninth place on the NBA’s all-time scoring list. It’s heady stuff. You realize as Nowitzki passes some of the biggest names in basketball history just how special he is.
Even he doesn’t comprehend it.
“It’s unbelievable,” Nowitzki said. “I started watching the NBA in the ’90s and [Michael] Jordan obviously retired for those two years there. Hakeem was spectacular. The moves he made, the footwork he had for a big guy, the hands he had, the touch — just really unguardable down on the blocks. It was so much fun to watch. I was a big fan.
“It’s still kind of surreal to be surrounded by all these names, names I’ve been watching throughout my career and before that when I was growing up. I was a huge Olajuwon fan and it’s going to feel weird to pass him, for sure.”
In many ways, Nowitzki and Olajuwon, who is on his annual trip to Jordan and could not be reached for this story, are eerily similar, even though they have wildly different styles.
Both came to the U.S. as unpolished products, Olajuwon going to college for three seasons at the University of Houston, Nowitzki forsaking the University of Kentucky to go straight to the NBA, which wasn't an option for Olajuwon back in the early ’80s.
Both changed the positions they play. Olajuwon launched the era of centers who were faster and more athletic. He didn’t have to play with his back to the basket, although he often did because his speed gave him a distinct advantage. He could create for himself and others on the court.
Nowitzki simply took the power forward position beyond the 3-point line, along with becoming the most deadly 7-foot shooter in history.
Mark Cuban is biased, of course. He’s grown up as an NBA owner at about the same clip as Nowitzki has grown up as a basketball player. And he believes Nowitzki has done more to change the game than Olajuwon.
“Hakeem was a top 20 all-time player,” Cuban said. “But he played in an era of dominant centers and continued a long line of centers that played mostly out of the post.
“Dirk created a new world for 7-footers. He could play out of the post or from the 3-point line. Both are amazing. But Dirk gets the nod for redefining what 7 footers could do.”
Signature moves
What makes Nowitzki and Olajuwon so unique, of course, is that they both developed signature moves that would come to define them.
The Dream Shake was unstoppable. NBA archives will always have in them the clip of Olajuwon going into his spin-cycle move and leaving David Robinson looking left, right and behind himself trying to figure out where Olajuwon went during that playoff series in 1995.
For Nowitzki, the one-legged fadeaway is every bit as impossible. As one assistant coach in the league said recently, “His release point is up around 9 feet on that and he’s fading away. Nobody can get to that shot.”
That’s why it’s been copied so much in the last year or two.
Nowitzki firmly believes that Olajuwon’s move was a little more difficult to perfect, which is why nobody has ever duplicated it with any long-term success.
“The Dream Shake was so sweet,” Nowitzki said. “I think for a big guy, he was just so agile, his moves were so quick and the shake so quick and his footwork so good, he could spin around anybody. I don’t know if growing up playing soccer helped his footwork, but his footwork and agility was unbelievable for a big guy, for sure.”
Olajuwon was an amazing athlete, especially considering he was 7-0 tall. As Nowitzki said, “I wouldn’t say we were both great athletes, not on my end, anyway.”
But while Nowitzki has played under the rim for the last few years of his career, you don’t get to nearly 27,000 points in the NBA without being an elite athlete. Nowitzki and mentor Holger Geschwindner figured out long ago that speed and hops weren’t Nowitzki’s ticket to the Hall of Fame.
It would be more finesse, touch and skill.
Ergo, the one-legged fadeaway, although it was never a planned addition to his quiver of offensive weapons.
“It’s actually kind of funny,” Nowitzki said. “That shot was never practiced. Holger never really said, ‘OK, this is a shot we’re going to put in.’
“That was a shot that just happened to come along on the fly with me getting older and trying to find a way to get a little separation and get a little look at the basket. It was just a quick look and a little stepback. So that’s how that shot started. It was never something we started working on. I just kind of made that shot out of nowhere and it stuck.”
That defines most of the great signature moves in NBA history. They just happen.
From vastly different cultures, that’s the way it is — and was — for Nowitzki and Olajuwon. Their greatness just happened. And they will be forever linked in the great debate about best international player ever in the NBA.
This close
Dirk Nowitzki and Hakeem Olajuwon are clearly the best international players of all time, as long as you call Tim Duncan an American since he was born in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Here’s a look at how close Nowitzki and Olajuwon are statistically.

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LMAO Jesus.. really? Poor Dallas

Bäumer · Nov 11, 2014

bumbum09 said: ↑

I really feel that Cuban is trying to antagonize the Rockets organization and fans especially now that both teams are at the same level of talent. .
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But they aren't...

langal · Nov 11, 2014

ONLY way Nowitski arguably passes Hakeem is if he wins another ring and somehow pulls a couple of MVP-calibur seasons out of his ass - and that's not happening.

DFWRocket · Nov 11, 2014

langal said: ↑

ONLY way Nowitski arguably passes Hakeem is if he wins another ring and somehow pulls a couple of MVP-calibur seasons out of his ass - and that's not happening.
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at his age...not a chance.

Jake Tower · Nov 11, 2014

photojoe said: ↑

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There is a reason that players, who play all different positions, still come to get trained on footwork and post moves by Hakeem. Even today, years after he retired. How in the world can Mark Cuban say that isn't revolutionary for his position?
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I think I can accurately predict that no player will ever go to Dirk (or Duncan) for special training sessions.

larsv8 · Nov 11, 2014

Man Dallas is not dealing with their decline very well.

DM'sVP · Nov 11, 2014

I saw this article on B/R this morning and laughed so hard I pooped a Dirk sized turd.

Jake Tower · Nov 11, 2014

ACL1 said: ↑

“Dirk created a new world for 7-footers. He could play out of the post or from the 3-point line. Both are amazing. But Dirk gets the nod for redefining what 7 footers could do.”
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dream2franchise · Nov 11, 2014

Think Dream couldn't shoot the three if he wanted to?

Dream played like a seven footer was meant to and as I've started before, Dream was doing back-footed fadeaways when Dirk was eating sauerkraut in his mama's kitchen.

Dirk and his seven rebounds a game can stick it.

Sorry but Hakeem doesn't get enough respect for his game and it bugs the living crap out of me.

Dave_78 · Nov 11, 2014

Comparing a (far) below average defender to one of the greatest defenders to play ANY sport tells you all you need to know here.

Mr. Clutch · Nov 11, 2014

We really want our 7 footer to play in the perimeter.

Said no one ever.

bongman · Nov 11, 2014

WinkFan said: ↑

The only way there is even a discussion is if you ignore defense.
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Even if we did, the only thing that Dirk did better was the 3 pt shot. Dream had an assortment of moves and basically, pick your poison. You can layoff him fro mid range and he will bury the jumper or he can take you off the dribble. On the low block, he can do the dream shake and use either the hook or the fadeaway on the baseline. He can also power it in.

He commanded at least a double team where he can kick out to a shooter and he is always a threat in offensive rebounding.

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