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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Jan 16, 2017.

  1. zeeshan2

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    No they had the butler do it.
     
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    He didn't grow up wealthy, he created his own fortune from pretty much nothing.
     
  4. Hank McDowell

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    I have the same thought. I think he's going to be "that guy" who sits there with the camera on him pick after pick waiting to get selected.
     
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    Not advocating that we take Kizer but Aaron Rodgers was "that guy" and he look okay.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    So was Geno Smith, and he never looked okay. I dunno about Kizer honestly, he's a raw project type of QB that no one expects to be able to play for at least a year minimum. He could end up being great 2 or 3 years from now or never being heard from again. That's just how it goes when you pick up project QB's, most of them are going to be nothing but occasionally you stumble on one that ends up being something.
     
  7. Fullcourt

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    I don't see the Giants using a first round pick on a QB.
     
  8. J.R.

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    2017 NFL draft prospects to target for each AFC South team

    We'll go through each division to pair prospects with each team on Day 1, Day 2 and Day 3 of the draft. (Even if a team does not have a pick on a given day -- example: the Patriots on Day 1 -- we'll still recommend a player, as trades can always change the draft order.)

    Important note: This is not a mock draft. We aren't predicting where players will land. Rather, we're identifying a few prospects who fill a need and/or fit what each team likes to do schematically.

    Here's a breakdown of the AFC South.

    Houston Texans
    Day 1 (pick No. 25): Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama

    Since the Tony Romo rumors fell through, coach Bill O'Brien will certainly have his eye out for a quarterback late in the first round. However, if there isn't one the Texans feel comfortable with available, they could opt to find help along the offensive line. After suffering torn patellar tendons in both legs in October, right tackle Derek Newton likely will not be ready for the start of the season. Robinson is an athletic and powerful offensive lineman that needs to play with more balance and consistency. Whether it's at right tackle or guard, he would provide an upgrade along the offensive line with the potential to develop into Duane Brown's replacement down the road at left tackle.


    Day 2: Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami (Fla.)

    If the Texans don't address quarterback early, Kaaya could be an option late in the third round (89th overall). O'Brien puts a heavy emphasis on intelligence at the position, which is one of Kaaya's strengths as a prospect. As a starter for three seasons in a pro-style system, he showed the ability to scan the entire field working through progressions and is also a strong decision-maker, holding a career touchdown-to-interception ratio of nearly 4 to 1. Playing indoors for nine guaranteed games per season would help ease any concerns the Texans have about Kaaya's lack of ideal arm strength. Kaaya would have a chance to compete with Tom Savage and eventually push for a starting role with proper development. Pitt's Nathan Peterman would also be a quality fit in the second round.

    Day 3: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.)

    The Texans have two fourth-round picks and should look to add some depth in the secondary, particularly at cornerback. After a breakout season in Houston, A.J. Bouye cashed in with the Jaguars, while Johnathan Joseph is entering a contract year and Kareem Jackson could be moving to more of a safety role. Elder is a bit undersized at 5-foot-10, but he is an instinctive, quick and highly competitive player who could make an immediate impact as a sub-package nickelback and contributor on special teams.

    Gruden's takeaways on QB DeShone Kizer

    Five takeaways on DeShone Kizer

    1. Kizer is what you want physically

    He has first-round measurables across the board. That includes eye-popping arm talent and prototype size. He is athletic. This is what you're looking for. He can showcase all that talent if he is protected and you give him some open looks.

    2. This is going to take time

    Kizer is a 21-year-old true sophomore, so there is no realistic way he can be ready for the NFL just yet. He has not had enough seasoning. It was really shocking to see him come out early after a 4-8 season at Notre Dame. Kizer has never even had all the reps going into a training camp. He will need time to manage situations, manage different audibles, recognize defenses and react to things. But a year from now, you will be really glad you got him for your team. This a long-term solution.

    3. Kizer must prove himself in critical moments

    Notre Dame went 4-8 the past season for several reasons: Part of the time, Kizer could have done a better job; part of the time, his defense let him down; and part of the time, it was a lot of things. Losing guys such as Ronnie Stanley and C.J. Prosise from the previous season really hurt. It's also true that Kizer struggled at times during critical moments. Notre Dame didn't handle end-of-game situations as well as it could have, and Kizer didn't handle them as well as he could have. After such a tough finish, Kizer might benefit from a coach who builds him up with positive reinforcement.

    4. Kizer takes too many hits

    It's tough to have staying power in the NFL as a running quarterback. The great ones eventually beat you primarily from the pocket. Kizer has carried the ball almost 300 times and he has taken a lot of shots, including too many hits on his throwing shoulder. He can do a better job of protecting himself and protecting the football when he runs.

    5. This is a very sharp player

    We tried to overwhelm Kizer at QB Camp because he is so sharp. That included loading him up with a crash course on a wide array of NFL blitzes falling into 10 categories, something we didn't explore with the other quarterbacks this year. The feeling was that Kizer is a finance major at Notre Dame for a reason. The Irish asked him to do a lot at the line of scrimmage, and that showed in our meeting as well.​
     
  9. Two Sandwiches

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    I would be okay with Kaaya in the third or fourth. I think he's a good mid round prospect.
     
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    I don't understand this line of thinking. QBs picked in the 3rd or 4th rounds are simply fliers that are expected to not succeed, but you hope maybe you get lucky. If people truly expected the guy to be good, he'd be gone before then. Are we still at the point where we are just looking to solve the biggest hole on the team by picking someone late that no one else wants and hoping for a miracle?
     
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    Look, we all know what is coming. It's most likely not going to be a QB in round 1 but if it is, it's going to be someone like Davis Webb and not one of the top 4 guys. I'm hoping they prove me wrong but I just don't see them swinging for the fences 2 off-seasons in a row. They struck out on Osweiler which has made them very tentative thus far, see how they have zero outside free agents signed. I think it's been pretty telling that the team has never really invested on QB's high in the draft and I believe most of that is about an inability to scout the position properly. I trust Rick with pretty much any other position. Unfortunately, they just won't be able to fix the most important one any time soon.
     
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    Absolutely not. I'm saying if we don't get a guy in the first, which is what I want, I'd be okay with Kaaya. If we don't get a guy in the first, it means the three we wanted were picked already.
     
  13. Fullcourt

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    Remember when Gruden called Colt McCoy a first round pick?
     
  14. J.R.

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    Since going into TV, Jon Gruden hasn't met a player/prospect he doesn't like. ;)
     
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    glad we aren't opening the season, that would be a tough environment

     
  16. J.R.

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    Gruden's takeaways on QBs Joshua Dobbs, Nathan Peterman


    Five takeaways on Joshua Dobbs

    1. Dobbs is the sleeper in this draft

    Dobbs is a rocket scientist who plays like a rocket. He ran for more than 2,000 yards and threw for more than 7,000 yards. Very few people have done what he has done in the SEC, putting up those numbers while winning 20 games in two years. He throws the ball from the pocket better than people think, he can figure out your offense quicker than you can figure it out, and he can really be the sleeper in this draft.

    2. The Dak Prescott comparisons resonate

    Dobbs' production -- at least 50 passing touchdowns and at least 30 rushing touchdowns -- is right there with Prescott. Both Dobbs and Prescott shredded the SEC, which is really tough to do. Both are dual-threat players. Both have flourished in crunch-time situations. They are very good communicators, and they are mature finishers. And people had some questions coming out of college about how well they could throw the ball. Those are real similarities.

    3. Dobbs needs to start faster

    Tennessee needed to start faster, and it starts at the quarterback position. Starting faster and setting a tone should be a point of emphasis for Dobbs as he looks to improve.

    4. Dobbs' smarts could come in handy

    The NFL has changed. You can't spend as much time with players as you once could. You have to understand that, so you need guys who are very sharp who can take a lot of football and digest it in a short period of time. Prescott did it last year. You also need to understand that running quarterbacks are a huge asset in the league right now. Some of the young guys coming up out of high school and college are fierce runners. Dobbs is going to have a niche some place.

    5. There is a transition ahead

    The big thing everybody wants to know about Dobbs is how well he throws the football. Can he translate from a no-huddle quarterback to the huddle, slowing the game down, handling a lot of football, putting that intelligence to work and making plays in the pocket consistently? He threw the ball well during our on-field workout. He showed a lot of improvement.

    Five takeaways on Nathan Peterman

    1. Peterman is the draft's most pro-ready QB

    Peterman is ready to walk in and be a contributor from day one. He just looks like a pro quarterback -- coming out of the huddle, running an offense with different formations, shifting, motioning, different patterns that other colleges don't run.

    Peterman will recognize route combinations and associate formations. Most importantly, he will be able to get in a huddle from day one and look at 10 grown men and tell them where to go and what to do and handle a versatile snap count. He has a vast amount of experience, not only in running different offenses but dealing with a lot of different teammates in the huddle.

    2. Andy Dalton is a good NFL comparison

    It's surprising that Peterman is not getting more buzz. He should go no lower than the second round. He reminds me of Dalton. People criticize Dalton, too, for some reason, but all these guys do is find a way to win games and put their teams in optimum situations.

    3. There are no red flags with Peterman

    He probably bores people because he doesn't have incredible measurable. He does not run 4.5 and he is not 6-foot-5. He is just a consistent down-to-down performer. Some people might think they have some gimmicks in their offense at Pitt with the jet sweeps, the shovel passes and the unbalanced lines, but you can't go broke making a profit, and that is what you are going to get with Peterman.

    4. Maturity is an asset

    This is a redshirt senior, not some 18-year-old kid. He has endured bumps and bruises along the way, but he has made it through. He has progressively gotten better and is very sharp. He is able to handle terminology, check-with-mes, verbiage, audibles. He has better athleticism than people think and he is just far ahead of people, footballwise, because of the systems he has played in. You can feel his maturity when you are around him.

    5. Beating Clemson remains a signature win

    You cannot play much better than Peterman played against Clemson -- dealing with unblocked defenders, throwing the ball under duress, running a wide range of plays. When he needed to make a big play, he made it. It is hard to throw for five touchdowns and no picks and put up 43 points on the road at Clemson. Ask the national champions themselves.​
     
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    That's the QB I'd be most worried about if the Texans pick him.....which means it's probably who BOB likes given his track record of Fitz, Hoyer, and Mallett being "his guys"
     
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    Well, that's something to work with I guess.
     
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