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[Official] Texans @ Eagles

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    That's also not true. a large percentage of the pressure he faces is due to him not knowing how to read defenses very well and him holding on to the ball too long. He's good enough to where no one needs to make excuses for his flaws.
     
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  2. Nimo

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    Dude's a gamer, for sure. Still hasn't lost a game by more than a score. The team always has a chance with him. If they won the game, this would have been one of the biggest regular season games in franchise history. Dude is a machine.
     
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    This is a hilariously overrated take considering Watson was known in college as well as his first year in the league as being good at reading defenses.

    Football Outsiders has the Texans OL as the 31st pass protecting unit in football.

    The eye test certainly agrees with that.
     
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  4. tmacfor35

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    He doesn't have Fuller or Coutee nor will they ever be players to be counted on.

    Right now, he has one of the worst skill position groups in the league.

    There is no denying that when late in the 4th quarter yesterday he was throwing to

    Two practice squad players in Carter and Smith.
    Two Tight ends who are average players at this juncture of their career
    A RB coming off an Achilles injury who looks to have lost what burst he did have and Alfred Blue who should be on a practice squad.
     
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    While he does hold onto the ball too long, u cant blame all of the sacks solely on watson. He has one of the shttiest oline in the league. If he threw the ball away everytime he was gonna get sack our offense will never go anywhere. We already burnt 1st down usually netting negative yards from a rush play.
     
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  6. TejasTom

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    I think this game really boils down to: Doug Pederson coached to win, Bill O’brien coached to not lose.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    You say that, and I get the desire to pretend like Watson can do no wrong, but the game tape suggests otherwise. Far too often this season he's been fooled by a disguised blitz that he had no clue was coming. Far too often he's missed open receivers because he wasn't looking in the right place and ended up taking sacks due to holding on to the ball too long. Those are 100% on him, and I think nearly half of the sacks he's taken this year are on plays like that where he deserves part or all of the blame. He's still taking an average of over 3 seconds per drop back which means he asks more from his O line than just about any other QB in the NFL.

    I'm not surprised by this given that it was something he was said to need to work on coming out of college when he ended up throwing interceptions as a result of being fooled by defenses.....and NFL defenses are MUCH more tricky. Also, he's essentially still a rookie. You don't expect a rookie to be reading defenses like a 10 year vet, and he certainly can't.

    I think it's something he'll improve on as he gets more experience in the league.

    You said to just look at the skill players on the team, you didn't say look at what was available today. What is available today is still better than a lot of teams in the NFL because RIGHT NOW he has the best WR in the game and several competent receiving targets at the TE position. RIGHT NOW the Texans have better weapons than the Patriots do. If not for a ton of injuries we'd have some of the most quality depth in the NFL at the skill positions.
     
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    Sort of like his exit velocity on his throws would make him a BUST in the NFL, right? Stop. They do not have better weapons than the Pats....those weapons are HURT. Being fooled by blitz is something defenses do to QBs. Watson can read blitzes, problem is he tries to do too much sometimes. The line is AWFUL.......Are they to blame for every sack? NO. However, they are terrible.
     
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  9. tmacfor35

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    Bobby has tried to say Watson would be a bust from day one.

    He has tried to rally the "he can't read a defense" knock after he found out the noodle arm(his biggest complaint) wasn't actually real.

    The kid hasn't lost a game in which he has started, by more than a single score since high school.
     
  10. Htownballer38

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    Hey include the defense letting him down again after he put together game winning drives.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Those criticisms were proven valid, but he managed to fix the flaw in his throwing motion. I know this was just you trying to be a troll, but it's more effective when you base your trolling nonsense in reality. When you point out situations where the experts were proven right it doesn't really work as effective trolling.

    As to the O line, they aren't the best in the league by any stretch of the imagination, but in last week's game, Watson directly caused 3 of the 4 sacks and somehow we have people now whining about the O line as if they should have done more. Any QB that holds on to the ball as long as Watson does is going to get sacked a lot no matter what O line is in front of them. On top of that, when a QB doesn't read the defense properly and adjust the blocking scheme and set up a hot receiver and instead drops back like normal when the defense is sending the house, it's not on the O line at all.

    Those situations happen multiple times every game and yet you guys act as if it's blasphemy to point out that Watson is to blame

    I really thought you guys were beyond acting as if Watson was related to you. I had legitimate concerns about Watson, and he managed to work on his game to the point where those things were no longer a problem....except for his struggles with reading defenses. That's been a problem since day 1 and still is. The good news is that he's erring on the side of caution so they end up as sacks and not interceptions most of the time.

    I'm honestly not sure how you watch plays where Watson has absolutely no clue that a blitz is coming so he tries to take his normal 3-5 step drops and think that he doesn't struggle to read defenses.

    He's not actually related to you guys, it's okay to give fair criticism, he's shown that he's the kind of guy to go in and work to eliminate those flaws in his game so it's not a huge problem.
     
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    The defense also gave them a gimme with the Clowney strip sack, an interception in Eagle territory that the offense went 3 and out on, the fumble that led to the score to bring them back within 6, and the 3 and out they forced to set up the go ahead score. The offense and defense had their turns bailing the the other out as well as taking turns leaving the other out to dry
     
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    Hey include the defense letting him down again after he put together game winning drives.

    Very fair assessment. But when it counted the most, in crunch time. The defense didn't pull their weight.
    3rd and 10 and backed up on the goal line. Our defense gave up a first down and tack on the roughing the passer penalty. The rest is history
     
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    Let’s not forget the Texans are using max protection most the time which limits the number of weapons since TEs asked to help block more or using extra linemen
     
  16. Houstunna

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    LOL @ all the Eagles gear people are wearing around town.

    Last week -- WHEN THEY LOST -- I didn't see any.
     
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    Eagles lost last week?
     
  18. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    My bad. Two weeks ago vs the Cowboys.

    Really wanted their ass to win but nah.
     
  19. houstonstime

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    I'm sure everyone wants to make this about BOB, but just like the Pats and Seahawks game last year, the offense took the lead with 2 min or less and the defense couldn't get a stop... All the mistakes BOB might have made throughout the game. Defense needed to step up there. And if you blame BOB for the defense as the "head coach" then where was his praise when the "defense was bailing BOB out"...
     
  20. houstonstime

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    Really weak assessment.
     

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