[Official] Rays @ Astros

I think everyone here agrees with that 100%

 

So you are going by ERA it seems as a measure of how good a pitcher pitched. His ERA as an Astro has been great until yesterday. His ERA before being an Astro was great. His ERA for the season is still less than 3. For not b****ing and just discussing, you have a lot of posts about 1 bad game based on ERA.

I don't judge a pitcher by his ERA and earned runs in sample sizes under 600 innings except when trying to communicate with people that do. To me, it looked like a well pitched game that the Rays spoiled by hitting two homers and scoring a run aided by a balk call.

 

ERA was the metric everyone pointed to before yesterdays game, the goal posts keep moving but that’s fine I’m just going to agree he’s been awesome.

 

While I'm not a fan of ERA, I hate inconsistency more (moving goal posts). If your goal post is based on peripherals and things that matter in samll sample sizes, you should have addressed it when ERA may have masked that Greinke wasn't pitching as well, and not yesterday. Yesterday, he looked like pre-Astros Greinke outside a couple of homers which don't matter. If you want to use ERA as a goal post, it is way too small a sample to use on one game. Overall, he's got an ERA under 3 and under 3.5 for Astros. Whichever goal post you pick for Greinke, making negative comments about Greinke yesterday were inappropriate.

 

I don't think it's moving the goal post at all. Pitchers like Greinke pitch to induce contact purposely and they rely for the defense to come through. I've been the biggest Altuve fan since he was in the minors but his D has been criminally suspect this season. He makes that play and Greinke walks away with just 3 runs for the day without unraveling the whole space time continuum.

 

The horsesh!t balk in the 2nd cost him a run too.

 

it was his first one all year?
it happens even verlander in the dugout was like was that a balk?
Greinke will be fine. I'm more worried about not seeing Press and Peacock again this season

 

Much more optimistic about Pressly than Peacock

 

This whole post is trash

 

Looking at his splits with the Stros, after listening to that, a few things stand out:

Leadoff batters are killing him. 15 of 32 have reached.
If he gets the leadoff guy out, the next batter is killing him. .400 OBP
Lefties are killing him.
Batters ahead in the count are killing him.
2nd time through the order (and/or pitches 21-50)...batters are killing him.

Peruse at your leisure: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=greinza01&t=p&year=2019&team=HOU&per162=0

 

Greinke WHIP with arizona this year 0.94

With houston so far 1.35

 

One thing I am somewhat encouraged about with Grienke is his strikeout production is starting to go up, which means he is probably implementing some new things that Strom is having him try. I want to see how his next few starts go while he works this stuff in, but he's definitely not making the immediately dominant impact that JV and Cole did when they first arrived.

 

You can blame the umps or hit the damn ball.

 

They scored 8 runs, and that ump was a chuckle****. It's a shitty loss, and the ump had some part in it. Astros will be fine though.

 

I notice he didn’t breakdown what Hinch said.

 

Just so we're comparing apples to apples, if you replace all of his pitcher/PH ABs in AZ with a) the average production of a non-pitcher against him or b) the average production of an AL DH against the league, his WHIP in AZ is 1.03 or 1.07

 

So what’s Verlander’s WHIP if he pitched in the NL?

 

Devo’s whip is 1.38. So is it safe to say he whip it good?

 

Whatever. Still a big difference