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[OFFICIAL] Elizabeth Warren for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

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    I consider education enrichment, not job training. I want everyone to go to college and study history and literature and science for their own sake, not the sake of some employer. However, there's a very blurry line between what colleges do for enrichment and what they do for job training. I'd like to see a much more conspicuous delineation between the two. If you want to be enriched, go to Harvard. If you want to be trained, go to the North Central Kansas Technical College. And then you can make financial aid policy that treats them differently if you want -- maybe there is a public interest in having you trained for work but not enriched as a human being, so you can get a loan for a technical school but not a liberal arts degree. There's a ton of schools right that are straddling this divide -- charging tuitions like they're Harvard, but offering "practical degrees" like they're technical schools..

    Federal student loans are available to everyone. Might have to change the rule for your approach.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Isn't that the point of grades 1-12? Im not sure why we need to repeat all of that.

    IMO, college/university was to teach students how to be independent and to prove they could get through challenges. Im not a fan of turning advanced education into advanced High School.

    Before we start spilling billions into the advanced education, we REALLY REALLY need to get a grip on grade school. This is where our nation is falling behind.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    Agree w points from both JV and SG here.

    before a permanent huge outlay for college payments (especially with inflated tuitions), don’t we have to ask if it would be better to spend half that on grades 1-6, or even critical pre-K childcare?

    I don’t see college as enrichment per se. Ideally, it hones a person’s ability to analyze and learn, so that they can be flexible to any future employment and be a really intelligent part of democracy. Could high school do some of that? Yes, but from the kids I see showing up to college, it rarely does.
     
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  4. JuanValdez

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    If k-12 is all the enrichment you want, that's fine. Totally agree on grade school though. I would rather withdraw the credit support we provide for university students and throw those resources into educating the children.
     
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  5. Os Trigonum

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    good article on Warren:

    https://thebulwark.com/what-went-wrong-for-elizabeth-warren/

    "What Went Wrong for Elizabeth Warren?Her fall is bad news for Democrats." surprisingly upbeat despite the title. excerpt:

    What we know for sure is that, on the eve of primary season, polls show Warren trailing in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada—and irretrievably buried in South Carolina. They also show a rising Sanders elbowing her aside on the party’s left, with progressive icons such as AOC and Michael Moore claiming that Bernie alone can deliver both victory and purity.

    Sanders’ army of online followers are using Facebook to unleash attacks on Warren so rabid and mendacious that they evoke the most mindless followers of Trump. The prospect of Warren overtaking Sanders on the left seems to have receded by the day..

    But, by design, she is extremely well-organized in Iowa, the better to turn out the committed supporters needed to carry a caucus. The coveted endorsement of the Des Moines Register can only help her. She desperately needs a win there or, at least, second place, to buttress her chances in the next two states and, thereafter, to somehow surpass Sanders as a long-term challenger to Biden. But by late Monday her fate may be clearer than she wishes.

    If so, it will prefigure an opportunity lost. Not least because, in Warren, a country which needs a new start, bold thinking, and the resolve to reverse our slide toward plutocracy will be losing, perhaps, its best opportunity. She will have been sidelined by an imperative more cosmic than pacifying Bernie Sanders and his blinkered lemmings, more imminent than fighting the maturation of oligarchy: America’s consuming need to rid itself of Donald Trump.​
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    Warren seems to have gone full returd on this one

     
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    This is not true and if you pass you should be promoted.

    The current education system was not set up in the 50's there have been huge improvements in teaching to today's workforce, there is a huge increase in vocational classes.

    There are so many more things taught than in the 90's let alone the 50's

    There is a great vision to change, you sir don't know what you are talking about
     
  9. jiggyfly

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    Do you not **** on any thread?

    Who really cares about Warren anymore?
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    I don't understand your question
     
  11. Os Trigonum

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    [​IMG]
     
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    No just her inability to answer the hard questions and being wishy washy.

    But she is not irrelevent to you.

    Anything to own the libs, right?
     
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    She’ll say just about anything.
     
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    Ok, this is kinda creepy...
     
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    This is not going to happen like a longshot
     
  16. mick fry

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    So sick of these hypocritical actors, go away already. Watching Miss enviromental activist get off that private jet then hide behind a staff member is pathetic as hell.
     
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  17. DonnyMost

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    It's starting to look like Warren might go 0 for 4 in the early states in terms of grabbing any delegates.

    I can't see how you survive this.
     
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    Agreed. Her chances are not great at this point.
     
  19. mtbrays

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    How do you want her to travel? Horse and buggy? This is a stupid line of attack.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    This is some low hanging fruit criticism. Tackling environmental impact is far more efficient when you concentrate on regulating a trillion dollar industry rather than concentrating on individual responsibilities.
     

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