With all due respect, I think you are very much confusing the Trump base with “Republican” voters. Bernies platform very much appeals and has crossover with the Trump base. The reason he won was the low income blue collar white voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn were bought into his protectionist trade policy. He stole many of Bernie’s talking points on the campaign to the point it was obvious he was doing it to peel off Bernie supporters in the general. Traditional Republicans.... yeah there are talking points here they parrot about climate change (GND), gun control, and free stuff. However many of those voters are not considered part of Trumps core base now that’ll be vital to him winning again. Those folks in Wisconsin/Michigan are still very much about populism politics and I would be very concerned about Bernie or Warren winning the nomination if I was a Trump supporter. The main differences in the Trump base and the Dem populist candidates are with the issues of Racism, social bigotry issues (like being anti LGBTQ), and abortion that appeal to the racists and white evangelicals. Trump trying to beat Bernie on the issues he won on in 16 won’t work. However if Bernie or Warren win the nomination he does have a moderate Dem lane that opens up in the suburbs because as much as Bernie appeals to white blue collar workers in Michigan, he does not have that level of support from moderate suburban voters who are turned off by more socialist systematic changes (although their fears are mostly moot imo). So again ill repeat... I think you are confusing Republicans with Trump supporters which is a flaw in your argument I’ll call out.
You're delusional. The only appeal Bernie has outside of the socialists is his principles. And considering he is a legit contender, that speaks volumes about every other politician. Bernie is not a threat because he is so far left he would never get any of his policies through. I would take an ineffective principled president over Trump, Hillary, and Warren.
Pretty much what I said a page earlier .... These guys thinking he's going to take Republican votes from Trump are delusional.
Imagine if the GOP cared as much about pandering to urban minorities and independents as much as you care about Democrats pandering to rural white conservative America and indepdents. They wouldn't be able to successfully kick the Democrats asses for a decade now packing judges with conservatives. Apparently pandering to a small base works. If someone principled as Bernie is elected, at the very least I'll know he has a say in what type of judges are selected to our federal courts. At least I'll know he will have a hand in putting in judges that aren't open corporate shills that believe "money is speech". I think there is value in that.
I dont care about the Dems pandering to anyone - if they can get those votes , great. They'll have to concede some points to get them. All I'm saying is that "republicans" arent going to go for socialist Bernie over Trump. Find me a Republican who's going to support a hardline gun control candidate ? Or one who will expand DACA or raise taxes.
And my point is the party that has dominated for the past decade in terms of state representative seats, US reps and senators, governorships and most recently the presidency doesn't give a **** about Democrat voters and pander to the more extreme elements of the base and it wonderfully worked for them. Maybe they are setting a bad example for the sustainability of the future of the United States, bit we can all at least admit it works in the short term.
That's some sort of debate tactic. Insult someone, then make no effort to actually debate the topic that was discussed. There were something like 12% of Bernie PRIMARY voters who ended up voting for Trump. 12% doesn't sound like alot but it made a huge difference in those blue collar states in the midwest which went for Trump. The Trump hijacking of Bernies platform in 2016 has nothing to do with Bernies principles which haven't changed since he started in politics. Bernie also campaigned for Hillary more than just about anyone so it really shows that there was crossover appeal on POLICY that Bernie tried like hell to mitigate to not get Trump elected. I stand by my statement from earlier that I believe 100% that Bernie would get back many of those blue collar voters in the midwest Hillary could not win over. I definitely believe after Trumps trade war incompetence, they will believe Bernie is better at helping blue collar workers with protectionist trade policy.
I agree completely that Trump won over a lot of midwest voters specifically with trade policy. I'm not sure if Bernie could get them back though - Trump has effectively messaged himself on trade and because the overall economy is strong, the effects of the trade wars have been marginalized to some degree. You'll notice that none of the Democrats are really talking trade this election, after it being a central piece of Bernie's message in 2016. I think the Dems realise that's a lost cause. The protectionist Bernie trade policy are the trade wars - that's exactly what Trump took from his platform and did. I'd suspect if you asked him privately, Bernie would largely agree with Trump's trade strategy (minus the policy-by-tweet/etc.) 2016 saw a major shift in working class / trade policy voters from the Dems to the GOP. Dems can get them back with a traditional right-leaning free-trade GOP candidate, but not against Trump. Similarly, 2018 saw a realignment of suburban/educated GOP voters shift to Dems - the GOP can get them back with a typical GOP candidate, but not with Trump - unless the Dems nominate someone outside the mainstream that causes those voters to reconsider. The Dems big-picture goal in 2020 is to duplicate 2018 - that's a big base turnout combined with holding suburban moderate America.
'Red, White & Who' takes a look at Healthcare in America Join journalist and comedian Francesca Fiorentini as she travels the U.S. to talk to Americans about a complex and divisive topic: healthcare. Tune in for the premiere on Sunday, December 29th at 9 P.M. ET. https://www.msnbc.com/originals So MSNBC is running this and the host is a supporter of Bernie and he is interviewed at length. She is a big supporter of M4A. So tell us again how the mainstream is sabotaging Bernie?
No I don't. I said Bernie appeals to republicans; he polls well with them. He isn't trying to get their vote. They can come along if their Venn Diagram matches up, but his message is not for them. This is what Media and moderates dems always get wrong as they continue to lose; They try to wrestle support away from Trump trying to bend to the will of the center, center right and the right, instead of just going full progressive. Bernie message is for the disillusioned and marginalized. Just like Trump, he wants to rile up his support from his base. There is enthusiasm from the left, not the center. People may think Biden can win, but they aren't going to take off work to vote for him.
I appreciate Democrats equality platform, even when the ideologue goes off the rails. I may not always agree with the tactics, but I appreciate it. So why shouldn't a candidates message try to include as many people as possible? Like the economy. Which leads to ... If a candidate is more concerned about winning a point for their team (which is nearly all of them), why would they continue to preach only to the choir? If most Americans, and the world are happy with status quo ... and I am not referring to Trump... why would they want progressive policies? Besides, as much as the leftist hate the capitalist pigs, its the private sector who is doing much more for the progressive agenda than the sell outs in Washington.
20% of Trump voters voted once or twice for Obama and or voted for Sanders in the primary. The rest are lost causes, but we don't need them to defeat Trump.
Sanders raking it in. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/01/ber...million-in-4q-in-2020-democratic-primary.html Sanders’ campaign has seen a torrent of fundraising dollars from an army of individual donors. On Wednesday, it said it had received contributions from 5 million people during the election cycle. The fundraising haul at the end of the year follows a $25.3 million intake from individual donors in the third quarter. For the final three months of the year, Sanders donors most often listed their occupation as “teacher.” The five most common employers of people who contributed to the campaign were Amazon, Starbucks, Walmart, the U.S. Postal Service and Target. The senator routinely criticizes Amazon and Walmart for the pay and benefits they give workers.
"Will today be remembered as the day that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) 'locked up' the 2020 Democratic nomination?" https://theweek.com/speedreads/887323/how-bernie-sanders-response-soleimani-strike-stands
Actually Trump did give a **** about Democratic voters. That's why he went populist and started trashing NAFTA and other trade deals. He also went after them with his promise of bringing troops home and not cutting medicare and medicaid. Not all Democrats and Republicans are as far apart as you think.
So which one is it? Running on a populist economic message doesn't attract moderate voters or it works well? Or are you saying a populist message only works with a right wing framing in this country? The entire gop party was crapping on NAFTA and "globalism" when they were chosing a candidate out of their 17 choices in the primaries. The one that went most over the top on immigration and divisive rhetoric won the primaries.
Can you link to anything that proves your claim about Sanders polls well with Republicans? I found this and he did not make the top 4. https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...drawn-to-biden-more-than-other-2020-democrats The Hill-HarrisX poll released Monday shows that 33 percent of GOP respondents named Biden as the Democratic candidate who came the closest to sharing their political views. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg received the second-highest support among Republican voters at 30 percent and 28 percent thought Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) better aligned with their views. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg both garnered 26 percent of respondents who said the candidates closely shared their values.
