The presidential nomination isn't the only race on the table. There are state and local primaries being held as well - Those won't be sorted out until those people actually vote.
And he's failing miserably at it. The longer he stays in the race, the more people he alienates from him, and ultimately, his causes - as we're seeing in the massive drop in his support from 2016 to 2020. Like Warren, he can have a lot more influence by working with the party instead of flailing away for 3 months and alienating everyone around him. This is a perfect example of why he's never accomplished anything significant in his long career and Warren has done so much more in a much shorter period of time. If Bernie had dropped out earlier in 2016 when it was obvious he couldn't win and wholeheartedly endorsed Hillary, there's a decent chance Hillary is President. But if not, there's also a decent chance he's leading the race today. But he didn't and now he's thrown away opportunity #2.
I don't know if I agree with the Hillary as President part... Trump won because so many people hated Hillary... and that includes a lot of Democrats.... If you look at the states that Bernie won last year, I would also say that his base grew because of Hillary... They would rather vote for a Socialist than her.... T_Man
There also isn't enough to show that 'Bernie Bros' cost Clinton the election. Most of them voted for Clinton. I think this is where a lot of misplaced animosity comes from when it comes to Bernie. At the end of the day Clinton just didn't win swing states and so she lost. Some because of her history on policies like TPP, some because of just having low turnout (and voter suppression) and then we had the mess of her 'emails' getting launched conveniently enough to hurt her. It is ironic to me that so many Biden supporters are gloating to others to just accept their guy won fair and square to Bernie supporters yet a lot of them I see were also Clinton supporters and they are still blaming everything else on her losing the election instead of just admitting that Trump won the election because he tapped into something and people just weren't all that excited for Clinton.
Right now... The cards are in the hands of Bernie and Biden... If Bernie can get over his Ego and start attacking Trump and not Biden, he will have done his part to help bring the democrats together... if Biden can open up his stance and listen to from the other democratic presidential candidates and makes changes to his stance.. He will have done his part... So basically, we shall see... T_Man
I'm done beating my head against a wall with this topic. I ardently disagree with you, and I've posted more than once the reasons why. If it makes you feel better about that election to believe what you clearly believe, fine. I'm concerned about 2020, and the last thing I want to see happen is a rerun of 2016. It would be an absolute disaster, both for our country and for what Bernie stands for.
Oh yeah, Bernie can definitely help. I think he'll stay around in the race for a week or two...or who knows. He's stubborn enough to just let this drag out. I hope he doesn't. I think he'll stay in for a debate and see if he can spark something there.
That's fine, but I honestly don't remember your arguments for it and we don't have to rehash it...but it doesn't make me feel better and I'm not sure why it would. I do think that beating Trump means accepting that he ran a better campaign than Clinton and understanding why that is. This way Biden's campaign doesn't make the same mistakes hers did...and she did make mistakes. Also, people want to unite and they wonder how the GOP did it, it wasn't just telling everyone to get in line, it was actually running policy. Moderate conservatives get their tax cuts and deregulation while Trump's base gets their...umm, nationalistic fantasy policies and their SCOTUS Judges that they hope can wipe away some gay rights and abortion issues. DNC wants to unite then they have to actually give progressives something, can the party, as a whole, get behind one progressive policy? Is that too much to ask for? Whether it is something to do with climate, education reform, M4A, or even just criminal justice reform and legalize weed, can the party stand behind something to actually unite those voters that went for Bernie?
Forgive me if this has already been posted. There is hard data that shows "Bernie Bros" are a myth A computational social scientist's study shows Bernie's Twitter followers act pretty much the same as everyone else Slate KEITH A. SPENCER MARCH 9, 2020 9:06PM Mainstream pundits and politicians continue to obsess over the stereotype of the "Bernie Bro," a perfervid horde of Bernie Sanders supporters who supposedly stop at nothing to harass his opponents online. Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton and New York Times columnist Bret Stephens have all helped perpetuate the idea that Sanders' supporters are somehow uniquely cruel, despite Sanders' platform and policy proposal being the most humane of all the candidates. The only problem? The evidence that Sanders supporters are uniquely cruel online, compared to any other candidates' supporters, is scant; much of the discourse around Bernie Bros seems to rely on skewed anecdotes that don't stand up to scrutiny. Many Sanders supporters suspect that the stereotype is perpetuated in bad faith to help torpedo his candidacy. A few weeks ago I penned a story for Salon attempting to qualitatively disprove the Bernie Bro myth by pulling from psychological theory and the nature of online behavior. To summarize my conclusions: First, there is a general tendency for online behavior to be negative, known as the online disinhibition effect — but it affects all people equally, not merely Sanders' supporters. Second, pundits systematically ignore when other candidates' supporters are mean online, perhaps because of the aforementioned established stereotype; in this sense, the Bernie Bro is not dissimilar from other political canards like the "welfare queen." Third, Twitter is not a representative sample size of the population, and is so prone to harboring propaganda outfits and bots such that it is not a reliable way of gauging public opinion. Now, to add to this qualitative assessment, there is quantitative evidence, too — reaped from studying hundreds of thousands of interactions online — that reveals the Bernie Bro myth as, well, a myth. Jeff Winchell, a computational social scientist and graduate student at Harvard University, crunched the numbers on tweet data and found that Sanders' supporters online behave the same as everyone else. Winchell used what is called a sentiment analysis, a technique used both in the digital humanities and in e-commerce, to gauge emotional intent from social media data. "Bernie followers act pretty much the same on Twitter as any other follower," Winchell says of his results. "There is one key difference that Twitter users and media don't seem to be aware of.... Bernie has a lot more Twitter followers than Twitter followers of other Democrat's campaigns," he added, noting that this may be partly what helps perpetuate the myth. Continued...
Ummm - everyone's aware of this. This is the point. The fact that he has masses of people doing it and other campaigns don't is the whole point and is why it's not a myth.
If it was accompanied by a long winded diatribe on billionaires, the DNC, the political establishment, Wall Street, Big Insurance... etc.. etc.. then yes. If not, then no.
I'm good with both dynamics... if and when Sanders sees the time to step down, I think his support of Biden and Biden reaching out to show Sander's ideas are being heard and reflected in the Democratic platform are both good things.
The point flew over your head. It's about proportionality. Of course more Bernie supporters will be online because Bernie supporters are disproportionately younger and have more experience online than older voters. The core question here is tendency for a type of behavior which is seen in proportionality rather than sheer volume as volume has variables outside the control such as the variable of younger people being online more. Besides using Twitter comments as evidence and needs is dumb when we have no clue how many unverified Twitter accounts are from bad faith actors from bots to troll farms to just dickheads like Trader Jorge who type in bad faith. But MSNBC and CNN love spamming articles making Twitter comments news.
