Biden did clear the field. There was no feasible path to victory for those that dropped out. That is how it works and always has worked. I don't think anyone is contesting that there are some voters that do not believe that Biden represents enough change. The problem is that the "change" candidate cannot crack 1/3 of the democratic support. The majority of voters are not comfortable voting for Sanders in 2020.
They dropped out because they couldn't overtake Biden. That's the point. Again, the race has been down to Bernie/Biden for a week.
What I am trying to state is if there was no Sanders on the ticket (or any other socialist who had a chance to win), then I believe a couple of them would have stayed in. Bernie cleared the field, not Biden.
Demo voters need get rid of Sanders quickly, the stocks are already down enough under the Trump. Biden is a better choice if you have a common sense.
Illegal immigration has surely played a role in diluting these careers .... Jefferson is probably my favorite historical figure .... In his famous letter to John Adams referring to the tree of liberty - He states Yes , I think it would be wonderful if we could put every single American thru as much continued education as they desire .... but doing so free of cost is just not reasonable when these institutions are "For Profit." You know part of what has driven these cost increases is .... gubmint involvement. Everyone knows the gubmint is an easy mark for a higher than normal profit margin. Then the more demand you create , the cost again goes up .... as we've seen over the past 3 decades. These schools can charge whatever they desire really .... Knowing full well people will pay the price because they feel they must to achieve anything meaningful which is far from the truth. And as I've explained a , it doesn't have to be that way. It's all about the choices you make in route to that degree. I did it 30something years ago and walked away debt free. @ElPigto explained it was possible a decade ago. My son and my niece are both about to graduate debt free in the next year or two. Yes , I helped my son with the costs but he could have done it without my help. He just wouldn't have been able to spend $50k on a new car while in school .... and maybe he would have had to live in a more economical apartment instead of in the high rent district. If you insist upon going to a prestigious university , refuse to go the community of JUCO route in the first two years and refuse to work a full time job while going to school - sure , you are likely to come away with a large amount of debt if the family isnt footing the bill. But if you take advantage of those opportunities .... you won't walk away with a mountain of debt crushing you for the next decade or more. No one put a gun to these people's heads and made them make these , often poor decisions - I feel no need to bail them out. They bought that education - they should pay for it. And finally - what part of Bernie's plan does anything to control costs going forward ?
Bernie still looks shell shocked from ST -- he was just going through the motions at his rally hitting the talking points, but he looked worn out.
Maybe we are talking in circles. The point being is you dont drop out of a race just because you're losing. Anything can happen in the next 3 months. As long as you can continue to raise money, you keep campaigning. Build name recognition. They dropped out to ensure Biden wins, not because he was doing better than them. The message was simple; If Bernie gets the nomination and your name isn't Biden, you're politically done with the DNC. Its called politics. Its not because Biden is well received.
Well they dropped out because they couldn't win. Buttigieg had no path to the presidency. He could not get the support of black voters. After Super Tuesday there would be no path to an outright win for ANY moderate. Bernie would have had an insurmountable delegate lead. The only way to win was to consolidate and the only one who could win if they did that was Biden.
A live look at the campaigns..... "What the **** have I gotten myself into." "Hi I am Nolan Ryan and I support Donald Trump." "Seth, I get more ass than a toilet seat. You dig jack?"
I am consistently shocked at the amount of excuses that are made...... it is really simple. Sanders could not garner the trust and support of more than 1/3 of the liberals voters in the USA. His supporters are strong supporters, but they are the minority. That is why Sanders lost.
No one is saying it is impossible, you guys stories are your own though. Please realize that. You did something in a different reality, education was cheaper for you than it is for someone now. That's just a fact as the grass is green and the sky is blue. It was just different 30 years ago, just like how 30 years ago it was harder being a PG in the NBA than it is today. Also, what if your choice is to be a teacher? You're walking away with debt. You just are, so much so we already have a program from teacher debt forgiveness (because we need teachers, right?) do you agree with that program? And this reality just doesn't exist for every student. You can't judge other people's decisions if you don't even know what their options are. This is just being judgemental. People aren't going to turn down prestigious universities, its so unfair to expect someone to turn down prestigious schools that people fight to get accepted to. How do you know they aren't working full time jobs? Studies show that MOST students DO work...so now what is there to say? You have this idea in your head that these generations are lazier than your own and it just isn't backed up by anything than your own experience or assumptions. If the only way to avoid debt is to go to JUCO + Work a full time job or shoot for some trade school than our education system has failed. This assures that the only way to become a professional is to already be privileged just to do it, no wonder the inequality gap grows and grows. This is not even touching on the subject that working more while in school usually results in lower grades. We are human after all, there is only so much you can do before your brain is just fried and fatigue starts to catch up.
seriously they are acting like it isn’t fair. Bernie deserved to have a race where there were 10 candidates damnit! bernie should have been the nominee while losing 60 percent of the vote! It isn’t fair!
Thats fine. But the majority of his votes are not because people like him. He's getting them for two reasons, 1. People hate Trump and want to get him out at all costs. 2. He got endorsements from other Democrats very close to Super Tuesday. I hope you are right, but he's really a do nothing candidate. Biden ran a crappy campaign, like I said his its been a giant mess. He's not winning because he put in the effort or because people like him. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/biden-super-tuesday/607411/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/biden-super-tuesday/607411/ " Beating President Donald Trump is a powerful motivator for Democrats. In fact, 60 percent of Democrats, when asked whether they would prefer a candidate who agrees with them on almost all issues or one who had the best chance of beating the president, said they would prefer the candidate who would defeat Trump, according to a November Gallup poll. “The further we get into primary season, the more seriously everybody is going to take it,” one of these “electability voters,” Lisa Grant-Coffin, a 53-year-old art director, told The Atlantic at Biden’s primary-night rally in South Carolina on Saturday. “Ideology is important, but pragmatism is important. You can’t do anything if you’re just yelling on the corner,” she said. “You have to be in the office." The Democrats’ desperate need to beat Trump is part of why former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg was able to quickly rise in the polls. He flooded ad markets with one main message: He was the one who could topple Trump." No, its not. Biden cleared the field because of beating Trump. I dont know where this idea that people really like the guy are coming especially when there were a lot of voters made their decision within a couple days of the election. And I'm not making that up. Anyone paying attention to his garbage campaign and listen to him talking would understand that.
I already said I'll vote for him, but I dont know why dudes are fighting so hard for people wanting to like Biden, thats just weird.
I think Super Tuesday exposed so many holes in his campaign. Sanders is doing worse among working class white voters in 2020 than 2016. He's doing worse among African Americans in some states. Younger voters aren't turning out more than normal. A lot of the suburban voters who voted for Democrats in 2018 showed up to the primary and didn't vote for him either. Also there's a huge gender gap as well. Women are far more likely to vote for Biden as well. His constituency is basically younger white men at this point. I think he spent four years trying to expand his base and then all it takes is one day to expose that his base actually decreased in size. It turns out the a non-trivial number of votes for Sanders in 2016 were just anti-Clinton votes so in some states his percentages are looking a lot worse. We'll see if Michigan defies the polls again but its looking terrible at the moment for him in the next round of states. I'm almost starting to believe that the Obama halo effect might be enough to get Biden over the hump in a general election. It's paying major dividends among key parts of the Obama coalition that have clearly rallied around Biden (despite Biden doing zero advertising). I'm sure Obama will go all out to campaign in 2020 and remind voters that a vote for Biden is a return to the normalcy of the pre-Trump era. It's a really compelling message that allows Biden to simply focus on the comparing the chaos of Trump to the stability of the Obama administration. In essence, voters are voting for something they already voted for so its a relatively comfortable choice. Meanwhile, Sanders is talking about major upheavals to large sectors of the economy that require voters to take a massive leap of faith. And while its clear that a third of the Democratic party is ready to take that chance, too many aren't and Sanders hasn't done a very good job of selling his plans to people beyond his base.
at Althouse blog: "I have this odd admiration for Evangelical voters. The pretty much sold out their ideals concerning personal morality..." by noreply@blogger.com (Ann Althouse) "... and supported Trump all the way. In return they received Supreme Courts justices they like, a rollback of LGBT rights, a wide expansion of government support for religion, etc.. It was a deal with the devil but for now it is paying big dividends for them. Most of the progressives I know would be horrified by such a 'sellout.' Over at The Nation all sorts of progressives are saying they will sit out the election rather than vote for Biden. Their personal moral purity counts more than winning. It is the same thing that cost Clinton in 2016. It is my biggest worry about 2020." That's the highest-rated comment (by far) on a NYT column by David Leonhardt, "The Simple Reason the Left Won’t Stop Losing/Progressives need to care more about winning."
Sanders has to win Michigan to have even an outside chance. From a larger prospective, Biden has a better chance in the general in Pennsylvania that Sanders because of Sanders' foolish comments on fracking.
This a typical scenario of moving the goal post. The discussion was how likable Biden is, not if Bernie is getting screwed. I dont care if Bernie thinks he's being screwed. Those who are being somewhat objective knows the majority of Democrats want moderates, not far left progressives (or right for that matter). I really dont care which one wins head to head. Given their age, I'm more concerned about their VP. Regardless, we will have a moderate 4 years ahead of us. If you are a straight ticket team fan, you vote Biden. If you hate the establishment and want both parties to burn, vote Sanders.
