The ballot tracker is up and is closing in on 3 ballots. I feel like this is the year Bagwell goes in. This will be the thread to discuss the ballots for the 2017 class. https://t.co/PQK7gmI3NQ
Pathetic that he's still not in. I've been to Cooperstown once. Will be there when Baggy is inducted. Should be on this ballot.
BBWAA is the most inept organization associated with professional sports. They might be the most inept organization period. I would not hold my breath. Bagwell is a HOFer no matter what the BBWAA as a whole says. Screw them. Baggy became a HOFer 5 years to the day after he retired. I don't need a bunch of writers to validate anything.
He did everything Frank Thomas could do except Frank Thomas in the field and on the bases was like watching a monkey **** a bowling ball.
Wake me up when it's the week of the announcement. My body was ready last year, only to be let down again. I look at the spreadsheet and see the one a** clown who didn't vote for Bags...but did vote for Edgar fu**ing Martinez and Manny Ramirez. Much like staying far away from the news since election night, I'm going to try to avoid this until I hear good news.
If he can't make it in this year, when there is literally no competition, it doesn't look good. But I think it looks good. He's generally considered a likeable dude and that will payoff. So this is probably the why not put Bagwell in year. I went for Biggio just to say I did it. Not sure that I will head up for Bagwell, but I just may do it.
Hopefully the voting base becomes more SABR friendly over time because Bagpipes just doesn't have the big numbers or awards that the typical HOF guys have.
How are we still even having this discussion? The BBWAA lost all credibility, over and over again, every year they snub this guy. If they do it again this year, there may be no recovering their credibility. So far, Tony Massarotti is showing as a complete incompetent who doesn't deserve his credentials. Let's hope that list is much shorter this year.
Massarotti: "I vote with my eyes and my gut." "I regard [Bagwell] as a product of the era." Hey dumbass: did your eyes watch Bagwell swing the bat? Or his plate discipline you rave about with other guys? Or his defense, or baserunning? Or that this "product of the era" was better than any 1B not named Pujols, and better than any NL first baseman ever before? This clown voted for Frank Thomas in year one and still snubs Bagwell, who is head-and-shoulders the more complete player. Then he says you can't vote based on numbers, when Bagwell's and Thomas's numbers were identical until Bagwell's shoulder finally fell off and Thomas came back to play DH for another two years and pad his numbers. It's morons like this that are ruining the "hall of fame".
You're being generous saying 2 years at DH 1991 - 101 games at DH 1998 - 146 1999 - 82 2000 - 127 2001 - 16 (only played 19 games) 2002 - 140 2003 - 124 2004 - 65 (only played 69) 2005 - 28 (only played 28) 2006 - 135 2007 - 147 2008 - 69 (only played 69) So, he essentially played in 12 seasons in which the majority of his games were at DH. Bagwell played over 1100 games more at 1B than Thomas.
Way too many writers see 4 All-Star Games and 1 GG and think the other 10 years weren't great as well. And then of course he came up short of 500 HR and his lower averages when he became a one armed player dropped his career avg below .300. Basically screwed by McGwire and the Coors inflated stats of Todd Helton and Andres Galaraga
Frank has 500+ home runs and Bags does not. I still take Bags over Frank... but do writers view 500 more of a lock than Bags career?
And then he tries to defend his voting for Manny Ramirez (repeated steroid violations, could hit and nothing else) and Pudge (a more likely 'roid user than Bagwell) while calling Bags a 'product of the era'. What a jack@$$.
I honestly don't know what "a product of the era" means. He was only good because he played in that time? What a bunch of horses*** from a Boston writer obviously still salty that he didn't play for the Sox. If he had, would this jackass still not have voted for him?
leroy, "product of his era" means, "I'm too damned lazy to do the research about this guy, so I'm going to pontificate some bull**** about going by gut and by what my eyes tell me. I don't remember seeing him much on SportsCenter, and right now I have nasty gas from that grease burger I had at lunch, so I guess it's a thumbs down on the Barwell guy. Barfield? Bagwell... yeah, that guy."
I'd love to see an independent committee analyze and dissect the BBWA's voting contingent (and call them out on all the non-sensical nonsense they spew), much the same way the BBWA members attempt to call out players or play the "morality" police without much basis or logic.
