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Obama traded 5 terrorists for a man charged with army desertion

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  1. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban release: Time: <a href="http://t.co/KZLQoreLNS">http://t.co/KZLQoreLNS</a> <a href="http://t.co/r7bPDoA1FD">pic.twitter.com/r7bPDoA1FD</a></p>&mdash; The Washington Times (@WashTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/474186028996395009">June 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  2. CometsWin

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    Just come right out and admit you'd prefer Bergdahl be tortured and killed by ISIS in a propaganda video that would be seen world wide rather than trading for him and trying him in an American court.

    Choose your option. It's actually hilarious. If Bergdahl were tortured to death on video you folks would be feaking out about Hussein Obama abandoning an American to terrorists. We know the drill.
     
  3. FV Santiago

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    Obama orchestrated the Bergdahl for prisoners swap in order to knock the Veterans Health Administration scandal off of the front page. It's only appropriate that the military brings these charges now in order to damage Obama's negotiations with Iran. Make no mistake, the timing of this release is purposeful -- it's being done in order to make Obama look like a terrible negotiator, which in turn, hurts public opinion for his Iran deal. This is how politics works. It also shows you how much the military despises Obama.
     
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    Most "libertarians" have no idea what they believe. It's just a buzzword, like liberal, neo-conservative, community organizer, trickle-down, social justice, Republican, socialist, etc....

    I enjoy reading what haymitch has to say, even though I disagree with a good bit if not most of it, he's about the only legitimate intelligent libertarian around here.
     
  6. Nook

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    He was an American soldier, our only POW. You do what you can to get them back. If he is a coward then he will be tried and convicted in America by Americans, not third world monsters that think incest and forced sodomy is par for the course.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    Totally agree, but we all have to realize that we traded a handful of seriously evil people to get him back, and folks are not pleased with him for that reason.

    I wish they had had some sort of Hollywood "Homeland"-style prisoner swap where they were all in pretty much the same place at the same time. Just drop a JDAM on the whole lot of 'em and be done with it.
     
  8. Amiga

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    No, of course not. Everyone rather trade for a super hero character to celebrate about. But absent of that, we still do what we can to get our POW back is the standard US and our Military position.

    The trade seems to always be on an unbalance scale. 1 American for 5. 1 Israeli for 1027 as another example. All it said to me is American and Israel value their POW and willing to do much to get them back. A value I'm sure those serving in the military are very grateful for. Break that value and leave one of our POW back not because a deal wasn't there, but because the POW is suspected (however strongly) of desertion and the military and US just broke the creed of "never leave a man behind". If that had happen under Obama watch and it's known that the exchange was available, I'm think it's quite predictable what would happen - many on the Right would attack Obama as a man that doesn't back the military, doesn't have US value, is a traitor and demand immediate resignation.
     
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    The trade was not "imbalance".
    For many many years, we always value our people more than they value theirs.

    I will also add that those 5 terrorists are worthless. Whatever we could get out of them, we had. What are you going to get by keeping them?
     
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    The question is not whether you think he's guilty. It's whether the US government should make decisions based on that. And Obama is not making decisions based on the standard of message board discussions. The fact that you think he should make a decision based on the guy's guilt tells us that you don't think the US should worry about due process.
     
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    Those 5 Taliban commanders are a lot more valuable to the Taliban than a deserter is to the US. A Private that abandoned his post in a war zone and tried to join the Taliban has absolutely no value whatsoever. All he'll be is another prisoner in Leavenworth till Obama pardons him.
     
  12. rage

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    No they are not.
    They are worthless to us.
    They are minnows to the enemy. You don't think they can create hundreds like them?

    Berdahl is very valueable in term of what the enemy can use him for.
    Maybe Republican wants him to be killed, tortured, burned so as to use it as reason to start another war and put thousands of our soldiers in harm way again?
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    They really weren't "minnows" to the enemy, they were pretty high ranking Taliban members, getting them back is a huge propaganda tool for them in that it's another example of them beating the Americans.

    Bergdahl has no value whatsoever, he was a Private that knew very little and they had already used what little he knew to kill Americans. They then used him to get back 5 of their own who were all more valuable than a random ass American traitor.

    I can't speak as to what Republicans want to do, but trading 5 high ranking Taliban members for someone who should spend the rest of their life in prison isn't a good idea. There's literally no valid argument for it.
     
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    I have already given my argument. I think you are just dreaming about how well their propaganda works but it's pointless to continue.
     
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    Sorry your argument that a traitor who should spend the rest of his life in prison is more valuable to the US than preventing Taliban propaganda and preventing terrorists from returning to the battlefield isn't a solid one. If that's the best you can do, I agree, it's pointless to continue.
     
  16. Amiga

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    I agree. Its imbalance in # but as I said, its because we value our POW.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Imagine how much they'll get the next time they manage to get their hands on an American, if we're willing to give up 5 high ranking Taliban members for a traitor, imagine how much we'd give up for someone that matters?
     
  18. Amiga

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    Lol bobby. You frankly are a disgrace to the military.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, no that would be Private Bergdahl. Anyway, I'm glad you added your ignorant opinion, but forgive me if I don't give it much weight.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Also just FYI, you'll find more vets that think that Private Bergdahl should be put up against a wall and shot for what he did than vets that think that we should have traded away 5 Taliban commanders for him. If you don't understand or like the military that's fine, but just say that if that's the case.
     

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