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Obama speaks out in favor of Net Neutrality; Ted Cruz likens it to "Obamacare"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Eric Riley, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. Anticope

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    Obama should know by now that if he's in favor of something then he should come out publicly against it and then he'll get Republican support for it.
     
  2. FV Santiago

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    The government should keep their hands off the internet. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. All governments use an incremental approach -- start small and then watch the scope creep over time.
     
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    Can you imagine when google first started their search takes much longer than yahoo because they cannot pay the price of faster speed? Talk about trying to break down something that is working just great so far.

    So what if Comcast does not want to lay the fiber network to increase speed? There are startups that willing to do that and charge a a lower fee. I just switched from Comcast to fiber on a small provider (200MB baby and half the price of Comcast!).
     
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    Without government, there would be no internet. :grin:
     
  5. Major

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    The State GOP convention took up this issue with this predictable result. The platform actually included support for Net Neutrality and people were good with it. Then someone argued that Obama and Dems supported it, and thus the GOP should oppose it. And then it got voted out of the platform. This is from a GOP friend who was there and frustrated by the process.
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    Anyone living in Houston who thinks Comcast has the consumers best interests as a priority is high.
     
  7. Major

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    Toll roads are the best comparison here, because the "plumbing" is a combination of government and ISP provided. And they don't allow Walmart to pay more for priority access either.

    Net neutrality does not prevent ISPs from charging higher prices for the plumbing if they aren't profitable enough.
     
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    im glad to see another smart man on here. my brother in law is a comcast tech and his family has done well by that company. the govt wants to hurt comcast by regulating them. i support my hero ted cruz.
    also liberals, not all data is equal just like not all men and ideas are equal. those with more money are the chosen under the free market. we should respect their choices. do i feel sad when i see people going fast in ez tag tx tag lane and i have to wait to pay? yeah but you dont see me asking for handouts. walmart needs faster speeds than us so net neutrality would be bad. not surpised barack hussein obama likes it
     
  9. Nolen

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    Leave it to the so-called fiscal conservatives to favor a system with zero competition. Leave it to the self-proclaimed defenders of the free market to actively promote and defend market that isn't free. Hear defenders of capitalism and their clarion cry to defend the largest corporations in the nation from competing.

    Nothing could be better for the internet overall than relegating the last-mile ISPs to dumb pipes, competing on price, speed and reliability. Oh the horror! Our freedoms will crumble and Karl Marx shall reign anew, just as he did when big bad gubmint split up the Bells. :rolleyes:

    You know what this liberal would like? Some real capitalism. You know, the kind where companies compete on price and service, rather than competing on how to best **** us all over while hiding behind the shield of "freedom."
     
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  10. Eric Riley

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    Lol, is this a serious post??
     
  11. Anticope

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    Either way it provides some much needed comic relief that the other 'pubs here lack in their stale posting styles.
     
  12. Nolen

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    Y'all need to trot something out other than the tired slippery slope and false dichotomy fallacies.

    If it was true that governments always incrementally increase in power, then northern europe would have turned communist long, long ago. They haven't because your slippery slope fallacy is just that- a fallacy. The truth is that various free democracies swing slightly left and right over their own version of "center" over the generations.

    It would lend just a tad of credence to an argument to make actual statements about actual policy rather than repeating tired tropes and fallacies.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Youtube comment section is calling you.
     
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  14. Nolen

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    To think you follow such a whopper with condescension. Jesus.

    Net neutrality is the elimination of preferential treatment of bits. If you don't know what that is, read up.

    If you're against the kind of capitalism where companies actually compete on price and service, you're in the wrong country. Russia would be more your style.
     
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    This is so sad but true. He need to use reverse psychology on these guys and maybe we can get some things that actually need to be done in Congress done.
     
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    I can't understand why anybody who doesn't work for an ISP would be in favor of this. The Internet, as structured, is not broken. If anything, access to the Internet is the real problem due to complicit ISPs do not competing against each other in large markets (in terms of offering substantially better speeds with technology that has been available for years). Their inadequate product has been exposed in Kansas City and, soon, Austin, where Google is bringing insanely-fast Fiber speeds to cities that other ISPs have sat on for years. They've had the ability to provide Americans with a better Internet for years, but have agreed to not bring that product to market. This is collusion.

    Those arguing from Comcast's corner: what do you make of other large companies like Google and Facebook coming out against the proposed "fast lane" service? What makes you trust Comcast more than other companies that exist and thrive only because of the Internet's long-established level playing field?
     
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    And, to the President's point, the Internet is a utility in 2014. If phone lines and water are utilities, the Internet is one, too. Try to doing anything, from withdrawing money from the bank, posting on this BBS or starting a sainted small business, the Internet is not a luxury; it's a necessity. How you choose to use it does not lessen its necessity for doing anything in 2014.
     
  18. Space Ghost

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    Pot. Meet Kettle.
     
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    this is probably the dumbest thing i've read in quite some time.

    congratulations!
     
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