Obama is fully responsible for the central american immigrant crisis

If Obama included closing the loophole would the House pass the bill?
(answer: no, the GOP will not risk teabagger revenge for any funding bill or cooperation with the President)

But no one will propose closing because it is an easily exploitable exposure to looking 'inhumane'. That's why Big Puffery started this thread, blame the President, even though he doesn't male law, and offer nothing.
GOP SOP.... we are so F****d

House Votes For Tax Breaks To Add $287 Billion More To Deficit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/11/tax-breaks_n_5577957.html

 

What Obama did or didn't do is irrelevant. The system itself has been created by the Flores v. Meese settlement in 1997, the HSA of 2002 and the 2008 TVPRA:

The Flow of Unaccompanied Children Through the Immigration System

There are a couple of reasons why Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals being put into effect during the Obama administration is not the driving force behind this migration - rather it is the pre-existing legal regime for detention of UAC from non-contiguous countries:

1) The amount of central American UAC had been increasing numbers before Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).
2) The nature of kids arriving has changed over time. The kids are those with increased needs/more likely to be victimized in transit. They are younger and we see more an more females. This points to the driving force to be the law as families would be less likely to risk the trip for girls and young kids who are more likely to suffer violence in the journey. If it were simply DACA being the driving force, we would not likely see the type of kids arriving changing over time.
3) The amount of Central American children arriving to and seeking asylum in other countries in the Western Hemisphere has ballooned since 2009. In fact, the total sum of asylum seekers coming from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador applying for Asylum in Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Belize, has ballooned 712% from 2009 to 2013. This comes from the UNCHR Children on the Run report. This points to the influx being part of something larger than simply deferred action in the United States.
4) Many children do not appear to understand that they are treated differently and many are coming simply out of fear or desire to join parents. A significant portion of the children and parents know that children are treated differently by border patrol, but don't know how or why. This sort of institutional knowledge of how the process works is something that has increased over time as towns, aldeas and barrios in these countries have become steadily depopulated by children. The confusion is over the treatment of children in the 2008 system - they believe that when they are reunified with family members in the U.S. that they have been given a "permiso" when in reality they are simply released on recognizance pending their immigration case.

None of these factors point to Deferred Action being the driving force behind the influx, rather this influx seems to be an accretion process over time as more and more Central American families have become aware that it is easier than ever to send for their kids, safer in the journey and more likely that the kids will reach the ultimate destination. If you think about it, each singular family doesn't really even have to understand the process at all, they just have to know that a couple other families have successfully brought their kids to the United States and they will decide to the do same. They do this so that their kids can escape the hellish situations of extreme poverty, low rule of law, and uncontrolled high gang violence that makes it so that schooling and business is impossible.

The legal changes to the detention of UAC from non-contiguous countries that have been happening since 1997 have very likely incentivized the sending of kids. There is no evidence that points to DACA being the driving force behind this influx other than the opinions of a couple pundits on the right who simply say so.

 

that makes no sense.

 

I explained that what Obama did and did not do is irrelevant because he did not cause the crises and is therefore not fully responsible as the title of the thread indicates. Exert yourself and read. You can still want to deport all of them, but at least do yourself a favor and try to actually understand the situation. Even if you can't understand, you will be better for having tried.

 

again that makes no sense. How he reacts to the situation is irrelevant cause u don't think he caused it? Simply put, that's wrong. How Obama or Congress reacts to the situation is the most relevant thing.

 

Um, you're the one giving Obama a hard time about the policy that Bush passed. Then, you try to turn your attack around into an attack on my character?

You should realize by now that you have lost.

 

I was responding to the idea that Obama is fully responsible and the op which suggested that he caused this problem because of DACA. He is not "fully responsible" and he did not cause this influx.

If you want to talk about what he should do about this influx, that's something else. He should encourage congress to act and he should take whatever actions under his purview to effect change. He has already done that. He has had the DOJ request 16 more immigration judges to work these cases. He has requested more asylum officers and he has ordered DHS to open up more facilities to house these children.

Congress needs to act and people need to stop believing in the superhero version of the Presidency. Where Obama has wiggle room he can create changes, but where we have a clear law on the books that leaves no room to treat UAC from non-contiguous countries differently, he cannot. The ball is in Congress's court. What do you want him to do - ignore separation of powers act unilaterally, violate the Flores Settlement, the HSA, and the 2008 TVPRA?

 

You do realize that the 2012 decision does not apply to the kids coming across the border today, right?

Think for yourself.

 

*yawn* bigtexxx is just another conservative fool and his kind are a dying breed of non-thinkers. Nothing to see here...a better path to citizenship is the obvious solution. Please end the "enormous wall" nonsense. This isn't Soviet Berlin, this is North America in the 21st century. Please open up your mind to the world instead of living in a scared little bubble.

I'll give in that there may need to be some added security, but I lean towards the side of amnesty for children who have begun to acclimate into our culture.

 

Yes, please think critically. Please go deeper than rote repetition. I've already explained why DACA is not the cause of the surge. Read what has already been said, chew on it, and synthesize it. Then, if you have any actual facts to add which might support your assertion, provide them.

 

Correction: if the insult is so blatantly obvious to everyone, you start looking like a troll.

 

Because the violence in Central America has gotten dramatically worse over the last few years along with a misperception that US immigration policy is vastly different from the reality.

Even Fox "News" knows this. You're very obviously just regurgitating some anti-Obama zealot, please learn to think for yourself, your parroting is tiring.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-policy-behind-surge-illegal-children-report/

ETA: The violence was increasing even before the 2012 decision to which you mistakenly attribute the influx...



http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXT...146736~piPK:64909335~theSitePK:258554,00.html

 

He started looking like a troll in the '90s.

 

Lol BigTexx claiming that if you insult people then you have lost the argument... meanwhile, 90% of his thread titles insult other people.
The root of the Central American crisis is trug trafficking. Stop this BS war on drugs that is costing us billions, and destroying the future of so many young people, and delegate the money you save from that "war on drugs" towards helping Mexico establish a legitimate refugee policy in which they enacted in 2011 but could never carry out due to lack of resources. Issue solved for America? But no no no, we would never want to turn the drug issue into one in which our private institutions (prison industry) don't make a profit off of...

 

If this immigration issue is so easy to resolve or closing the border is so easy. Between Bush I (4yrs as POTUS), Bush II (12yrs as GOV/POTUS), and Perry (14 yrs as GOV) that is almost 30 years of Texans either as governors of a border state or in the White House to shape policy. Nothing was done on the federal or state level.

All of a sudden, Obama is in office for 6 years and this is his problem and he should have it fixed in those 6 years. The same guy everyone complains is incompetent, lacks toughness and leadership is expected to solve in 6 years, what our fellow Texans couldn't address in 30. Does that make any sense?