Obama is fully responsible for the central american immigrant crisis

I hear mexican mules already have advanced ladder technology.

(Plus that would be around 10 million lineal feet to fence; and a fence would effect all kinds of wildlife movements.)

 

Put up an automated line of Phalanx guns along the border along with sufficient "Enter at your own risk" signage. We don't need no stinking fence.

Nobody wants to turn away needy people but nobody wants noncitizens to break our laws and be rewarded for it. We do not have a viable path to citizenship, that is the problem. Nobody can conform to the law so why try. Now we have proven that you don't have to.

Anybody wonder why we have a border problem?

 

Let's not pretend that bigtexx didn't already say that the issue wasn't the traffic over the border itself, it was the legal specifics by which we treat one group differently than another that is having unintended consequences.

I get it, bigtexxx doesn't like the president, and most of you don't like bigtexxx. But...

The fact that the issue is being used unreasonably to argue for a southwestern Berlin Wall or the legitimacy of Obama's presidency should not detract from addressing the actual issue responsibly.

 

we have ladders here in the US, yet people still build fences around their houses. The wall would have cameras and other such equipment built on to address ladders.

Building schools and hospitals effects wildlife too. Building any structure does.

all walls = the Berlin wall? Also the critic isn't that Obama isn't building a wall, its that he's not addressing the issue in any manner (He could send more help).

 

Are you really comparing a wall going across multiple states, cutting a continent in half, to a hospital?

Your point is so off base it's laughable.

 

U.S.-Mexico border security barriers affect movement of animals
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire...-security-barriers-affect-movement-of-animals

Security barriers in national parks on the U.S.-Mexican border which aim to deter illegal migrants are affecting the movements of some native animal species while not necessarily restricting the movement of humans, according to new research.


CBP takes another stab at high-tech border security

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/topics/border-security-technology

The George W. Bush administration’s effort to build a high-tech border security system – the Boeing-led SBINet – was a failure, and the Obama administration shut it down in 2011......The Obama administration shut the project down in 2011 after it covered just fifty-three miles and had cost $1 billion. .

 

Anyone that's knowledgeable on the issue knows that a wall won't work. It has to be a combination of things. Walls in some places, drones to watch in other places, increased border patrol in other places, and a guest worker program that makes sense.

 

to multiple schools and multiple hospitals and multiple other structures. yes.

Or was dubious referring to building one hospital?

 

Is it possible that Congress is so effed up that they can't even close the "loophole" (passed by GWB, BTW) in the law, which would give the Executive the ability to do something different?

 

The last time I checked, hospitals didn't cover hundreds of contiguous miles...

 

Or obstruct the migration patters of animals unable to scale, fly over, or burrow under a wall hundreds of miles long.

 

If you want illegal immigration to end . .. . I think there should be several steps

1. Anyone found employing an immigrant is fine 10000 per day per immigrant.
-- You employ two immigrants for two days that is 40K
2. The Country of the Access Point will have to pay with increased Tariffs
-- Investigate to find the entry point and tax that country - You not going to help patrol your boards . .. well you going to have to help us pay for it. AT LEAST part part of the deportation cost.
3. Birth Certificate/Green Card/ID/etc is needed to receive ANY 'free' or 'government' service. You show up to the hospital and your are illegal - you will get patched up and shipped out.

I think these would be more preventative than any Wall or fence

Rocket River

 

FYI GWB
FYI GWB
FYI GWB
FYI GWB
FYI GWB

 

You're absolutely right, forgive me. I'm bored at work and your adult talk is wholly entertaining. Carry on

 

Hey Texx stfu

 

They could, but closing the loophole in response to an influx of children from ****ty conditions is a bad "no strings attached" political move.

Conservatives see it as enforcing the law and defending our borders, while Democrats would view it as a humanitarian problem where closing the loophole is only a symptom and the least of the worries to consider for immigration.

With that calculus, getting Congress to act on that alone would hurt the Dems with the Hispanic vote since Congress hasn't acted much on anything else wrt immigration.

tl;dr - It'll only happen in a package immigration deal and if played smart would be used as a bargaining chip for other reforms.

 

Sounds about the gist of it.

Do-nothing congress has plunged into a do-nothing spiral and the obstructionist GOP finally came across an issue that they want congressional action on. Instead of "reaching across the isle" and "making a deal" and demonstrating all the traits that they said Obama lacked to pass some kind of legislation, they're making a public media plea for Obama to do an end-around and use executive action because they've exhausted all their goodwill in the house and senate. Add a little finger pointing at the end and voila, politicians politicking.

 

So is this law good or bad?