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Obama Briefly Worried That His Unaccountable, Murderous Power Might Fall Into Republican Hands

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  1. rtsy

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    Oversight, due process, transparency are only needed for Republicans, not Good Democrats.

    President Obama Briefly Worried That His Unaccountable, Murderous Power Might Fall Into Republican Hands

    Matt Welch|Nov. 26, 2012 7:30 am

    The first 61 words of this chilling and banal New York Times article are a perfect distillation of how grotesque power appears in the eye of Americans who wield it:

    Facing the possibility that President Obama might not win a second term, his administration accelerated work in the weeks before the election to develop explicit rules for the targeted killing of terrorists by unmanned drones, so that a new president would inherit clear standards and procedures, according to two administration officials.

    The matter may have lost some urgency after Nov. 6.​

    A reminder to most Democrats who spent 2002-08 telling us that abuse of executive power was at or near the top of the nation's most urgent moral concerns: You just didn't mean it.

    More from the article:

    "There was concern that the levers might no longer be in our hands," said one official, speaking on condition of anonymity. With a continuing debate about the proper limits of drone strikes, Mr. Obama did not want to leave an "amorphous" program to his successor, the official said. The effort, which would have been rushed to completion by January had Mr. Romney won, will now be finished at a more leisurely pace, the official said. [...]

    "One of the things we've got to do is put a legal architecture in place, and we need Congressional help in order to do that, to make sure that not only am I reined in but any president's reined in terms of some of the decisions that we're making," Mr. Obama told Jon Stewart in an appearance on “The Daily Show” on Oct. 18.

    In an interview with Mark Bowden for a new book on the killing of Osama bin Laden, "The Finish," Mr. Obama said that "creating a legal structure, processes, with oversight checks on how we use unmanned weapons, is going to be a challenge for me and my successors for some time to come."​

    The point of constitutional governance is that the legal structure for and oversight of executive power is not a task for the executive itself. The fact that a president (and former constitutional law professor) would think otherwise vividly illustrates how far from that bedrock concept we have strayed.

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/26/president-obama-briefly-worried-that-his

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    Obama 'drone-warfare rulebook' condemned by human rights groups

    New York Times reports administration attempting to set out circumstances in which targeted assassination is justified

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/25/obama-drone-warfare-rulebook?CMP=SOCxx2I2
     
    #1 rtsy, Nov 26, 2012
  2. Northside Storm

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    It is funny how you cited some very solid left and center-left papers there. Looks like the left is all about LEANING FORWARD, eh.
     
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  3. rtsy

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    If they are against Obama's policies, they must be leaning backwards.
     
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    nuclear bombs >
     
    #4 peleincubus, Nov 26, 2012
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    Obama works to define clear standards and procedures for drone strikes. And?
     
    #5 HayesStreet, Nov 26, 2012
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    fair and balenced.
     
    #6 Northside Storm, Nov 26, 2012
  7. Nook

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    Lost election in a devastating fashion... including losing every single swing state not named North Carolina......

    Need something to b**** about to make self feel better....

    Constantly post on the same narrow subject 100's of times.....

    Get very little argument from "the enemy left"....

    Have 5-10 responses and thread dies, or the point of thread blows up in face...


    REPEAT for 2 years until the mid terms.... then 2 more years until Presidential election in 2016..... compare Obama to Bush......

    Watch Fox News and Dick Morris..... get devastated in 2016....

    REPEAT until death in 2036 from a socialist death panel composed of minorities and nihilist whites.

    THE END
     
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  8. rtsy

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    It's already been defined by the Constitution.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Please show me where drone attacks are discussed in the Constitution... thank you in advance.
     
    #9 Nook, Nov 26, 2012
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    Ritzy - if we pitch in and buy you a ticket to Pakistan's Tribal areas, will you go?

    The utter lack of any functional state institutions make it a veritable paradise for an anti-statist patriot like you , and you can also report firsthand on the horrors of living in a 14th amendment free drone-strike w/o due process world.

    There is a small chance that you may find these horrors to be subservient to living in a place with no clean water, little access to modern health care facilities, and no educational system to speak of, and little to no econmic activity other than opium trafficking, either way I look forward to a spirited dialogue from you! :)

    I'm good for $50.00. I figure it will cost you about 1-2000 to get there. Who's with me?
     
    #10 SamFisher, Nov 26, 2012
  11. rtsy

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    Fith amendment. You're welcome in advance.
     
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    Hmm.... don't seem to find drone attacks in the 5th Amendment..... Didn't remember drone attacks in the 5th Amendment when in law school either... so I assume you are saying it is your opinion that it relates by proxy?
     
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    You're trying not to bear witness against yourself? smart.
     
    #13 CrazyDave, Nov 26, 2012
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    I will toss in $300.00 if he will actually go. I was going to spend the money on a few cases of Three Floyds beer, but WTH..... I will pony up if it will keep Rtsy happy....
     
    #14 Nook, Nov 26, 2012
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    You're going to have to excuse Ritzy as he puts a call in to his legal counsel:
    [​IMG]
     
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  16. rtsy

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_v._Eisentrager

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasul_v._Bush


    you might note that the Fifth Amendment due process clause is a little vague when it comes to whether the American government has contractual obligations towards non-American 21st century hostile non-state combatants who have never stepped foot in America and are definetly not under American jurisdiction.

    hence why the need for clarification.

    That said, the Obama admin. has been atrocious with the fifth and the eighth.

    If you are going to spam though, focus more on things like the Drake and Manning case, kill lists are too easy to condemn just based on visceral emotional appeal.
     
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  18. NotInMyHouse

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    3 Floyd's, you say? I'll take rtsy's place for a few cases of 3 Floyd's, but at least one needs to be Gumball head.
     
    #18 NotInMyHouse, Nov 26, 2012
  19. rtsy

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    You might notice (but you wont because you are an Obama cultist) that the NDAA applies to American citizens and Obama has already killed at least 2 of us, including a 16-year-old.
     
    #19 rtsy, Nov 26, 2012
  20. Northside Storm

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    Fair and balenced!
     
    #20 Northside Storm, Nov 26, 2012
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