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NYT:What To Make Of Warming Plateau

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bobmarley, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. bobmarley

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/science/earth/what-to-make-of-a-climate-change-plateau.html?_r=2&

    By JUSTIN GILLIS

    As unlikely as this may sound, we have lucked out in recent years when it comes to global warming.

    The rise in the surface temperature of earth has been markedly slower over the last 15 years than in the 20 years before that. And that lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace.

    The slowdown is a bit of a mystery to climate scientists. True, the basic theory that predicts a warming of the planet in response to human emissions does not suggest that warming should be smooth and continuous. To the contrary, in a climate system still dominated by natural variability, there is every reason to think the warming will proceed in fits and starts.

    But given how much is riding on the scientific forecast, the practitioners of climate science would like to understand exactly what is going on. They admit that they do not, even though some potential mechanisms of the slowdown have been suggested. The situation highlights important gaps in our knowledge of the climate system, some of which cannot be closed until we get better measurements from high in space and from deep in the ocean.

    As you might imagine, those dismissive of climate-change concerns have made much of this warming plateau. They typically argue that “global warming stopped 15 years ago” or some similar statement, and then assert that this disproves the whole notion that greenhouse gases are causing warming.

    Rarely do they mention that most of the warmest years in the historical record have occurred recently. Moreover, their claim depends on careful selection of the starting and ending points. The starting point is almost always 1998, a particularly warm year because of a strong El Niño weather pattern.

    Somebody who wanted to sell you gold coins as an investment could make the same kind of argument about the futility of putting your retirement funds into the stock market. If he picked the start date and the end date carefully enough, the gold salesman could make it look like the stock market did not go up for a decade or longer.

    But that does not really tell you what your retirement money is going to do in the market over 30 or 40 years. It does not even tell you how you would have done over the cherry-picked decade, which would have depended on exactly when you got in and out of the market.

    Scientists and statisticians reject this sort of selective use of numbers, and when they calculate the long-term temperature trends for the earth, they conclude that it continues to warm through time. Despite the recent lull, it is an open question whether the pace of that warming has undergone any lasting shift.

    What to make of it all?

    We certainly cannot conclude, as some people want to, that carbon dioxide is not actually a greenhouse gas. More than a century of research thoroughly disproves that claim.

    In fact, scientists can calculate how much extra heat should be accumulating from the human-caused increases in greenhouse gases, and the energies involved are staggering. By a conservative estimate, current concentrations are trapping an extra amount of energy equivalent to 400,000 Hiroshima bombs exploding across the face of the earth every day.

    So the real question is where all that heat is going, if not to warm the surface. And a prime suspect is the deep ocean. Our measurements there are not good enough to confirm it absolutely, but a growing body of research suggests this may be an important part of the answer.

    Exactly why the ocean would have started to draw down extra heat in recent years is a mystery, and one we badly need to understand. But the main ideas have to do with possible shifts in winds and currents that are causing surface heat to be pulled down faster than before.

    The deep-ocean theory is one of a half-dozen explanations that have been proffered for the warming plateau. Perhaps the answer will turn out to be some mix of all of them. And in any event, computer forecasts of climate change suggest that pauses in warming lasting a couple of decades should not surprise us.

    Now, here is a crucial piece of background: It turns out we had an earlier plateau in global warming, from roughly the 1950s to the 1970s, and scientists do not fully understand that one either. A lot of evidence suggests that sunlight-blocking pollution from dirty factories may have played a role, as did natural variability in ocean circulation. The pollution was ultimately reduced by stronger clean-air laws in the West.

    Today, factory pollution from China and other developing countries could be playing a similar role in blocking some sunlight. We will not know for sure until we send up satellites that can make better measurements of particles in the air.

    What happened when the mid-20th-century lull came to an end? You guessed it: an extremely rapid warming of the planet.

    So, if past is prologue, this current plateau will end at some point, too, and a new era of rapid global warming will begin. That will put extra energy and moisture into the atmosphere that can fuel weather extremes, like heat waves and torrential rains.

    We might one day find ourselves looking back on the crazy weather of the 2010s with a deep yearning for those halcyon days.

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    I'm down for having positive discussion on this topic because I think it will become a major political policy issue even more so over the next 15-25 years.

    There is a lot of science out there on this subject and it seems to be all over the place.

    One thing that I think is worth investigating is the correlation of investment/profit in global warming technology and data and the political push of this issue.

    I am open to this being our reality but believe there are many blind spots in the reporting of this issue.
     
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  2. peleincubus

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    I thought most of the hottest years in recorded history were in the last decade??
     
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    I don't think reality cares whether you're open to it or not... because it is reality regardless.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    We've seen these sorts of claims before. And not by accident.

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    Another factor to consider is the ENSO cycle. EDIT: I see it's mentioned off-hand in the article; I must have skimmed past it.
     
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  5. rocketsjudoka

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    Actually the science is pretty solid that the planet is warming and that humans are playing a large role in that warming. How much and how fast is not certain but scientifically there is little debate that it is happening.
    Skeptics (not saying that you are one) have frequently brought up that that this issue is being driven by money in renewable energy technology and things like carbon credit trading. That overlooks though how much money is at stake among the fossil fuel and internal combustion industries. While things like renewables are greatly increasing the amount of money in those pales in comparison to fossil fuels.
    I don't know what information sources you are looking at but there is plenty of information out there about this issue.
     
  6. chrispbrown

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    Why not just change lifestyle even if it isn't true?

    Do you have a problem recycling, using less water, turning lights off?
     
  7. bobmarley

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    No problem. I do those things.

    Some of the biggest mouths in the movement for less carbon footprint leave pretty big footprints of their own. I will post about this later.
     
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    Are you fighting those big fires in Colorado?
     
  10. rimrocker

    rimrocker Contributing Member

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    Nope. Sitting at home doing regular work stuff. Decent chance I'll be in NM or AZ before the weekend though.
     
  11. underoverup

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    Good luck, be safe!
     
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    Thanks.
     

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