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Notre Dame Cathedral on fire

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  1. Nook

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    I don't know honestly, but any insurance they have would not be sufficient to repair it to the level needed. It is going to require very specific materials and exact craftsmen.

    Also the Catholic Church does not charge to enter the site.

    Further, the time frame to repair is very tight as France has cited 5 years. This is going to hurt their tourism as well.

    Unfortunately we don't have anything comparable in the USA.
     
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    Government and Benefactors, Not Insurers, to Bear Cost of Notre Dame Rebuilding
    By Noor Zainab Hussain and Paul Arnold | April 16, 2019
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    Major European insurers expect France to bear the bulk of the cost of rebuilding the Notre-Dame Cathedral after a fire tore through the eight-centuries-old Paris landmark on Monday.

    The cost of a likely multi-year restoration project could itself take a year to become clear, industry experts said

    “It is really going to be up to the French state and benefactors to help to restore and rebuild this,” Robert Read, head of art and private client at

    Lloyd’s of London insurer Hiscox told Reuters, adding it could take up to 20 years to restore the cathedral.

    “The scaffolding costs are going to be enormous, actually securing the building is going to be enormous. The cost of renovating the (British) Parliament is a similar sort of number,” Read said.

    The cost of repairs and upgrades to the neo-Gothic fronted parliament building on the banks of the River Thames has been estimated at up to $8 billion.

    French President Emmanuel Macron has said France would launch a fundraising campaign to rebuild Notre-Dame, which ranks among the finest examples of French Gothic cathedral architecture. The government owns the cathedral.

    Several of France’s business elite have already pledged money to help, including a 200 million euros ($226 million) donation from Bernard Arnault and 100 million from Francois Pinault, heads of luxury goods groups LVMH and Kering respectively.

    “Rebuilding would be very tricky as some of the craft required to rebuild, the stone-masonry craft would probably have to be relearnt,” Hiscox’s Read said.

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    Reinsurer Swiss Re said works of art in buildings such as the cathedral are generally not insured because they are often priceless. Any art works on loan from third parties would, however, be insured, Read added.

    While some of the large paintings at Notre-Dame could not be taken down in time, the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, said at the scene of the fire that a number of the many artworks in the cathedral had been rescued and were being put in safe storage.

    Contractor Liability
    Notre-Dame was in the midst of renovations and industry sources said the contractor would have its own liability policy.

    “Typically that would be for tens of millions of euros. But effectively that is going to be a drop in the ocean compared to what the actual cost of restoring the cathedral is,” Read said.

    “If they are deemed to be liable they would be carrying some cover, but it’s not unlimited and it’s definitely not going to be enough to rebuild the Cathedral.”
    https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2019/04/16/523929.htm
     
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  3. Nook

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    So there you go....... no, insurance would not pay very much on it.

    On the radio they said it would cost over $5,000,000,000.00 to repair..... that is billion with a "B".
     
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    Leave what's standing, because that still has historical significance. Rebuilding burnt stuff doesn't add anything.
     
  5. jcee15

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    Macron’s promise to rebuild the cathedral will be footed by the French people(mostly native French). Hahahahahahahahahah, off with his head.
     
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  6. Nook

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    Yeah it does. It protects the inside of the structure for one thing. Second, any structure as old and as formidable as the Cathedral have had prior fires or have had repairs done. There has already been at least one fire in the past that was bad, the top has been repaired 3-4 times.

    When you are talking about something 900 years old, in the elements, and through a history including the French Revolution, industrialization, WWII and the Protestant split...... there are going to be battle scars.

    Without repairs the Cathedral would eventually collapse and be destroyed.

    It needs to be repaired quickly and appropriately.
     
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  7. Major

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    We rebuild and reuse burnt down stuff all the time, historical or otherwise.
     
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    There are rebuilt and restored historical buildings, churches, and the like all over Europe due to the destruction caused by WWII. Germany has countless examples. Many of the structures, 70 years later, are difficult to tell apart from the surviving ones to the layman (which is how I would describe myself), and they are often mixed together. Of course, some things cannot be restored. You can't restore a work of art if it's been destroyed. A little damage? Much can be repaired. It'll be interesting to see what can be done with Notre Dame.
     
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    Some would argue:
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  10. Mr. Brightside

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    Can make it much more visitor accessible by adding internet cafes, interactive wall panels for children, and possibly a convenience store to sell refreshments.
     
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    That's like 2 Tilman Fartitas
     
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    Yes it is of historical significance, but it is also a functioning church. This would be like abandoning the White House if it had caught fire.

    Also Notre Dame is one of the top tourist attractions in Paris and all of Europe. There are a lot of reasons, including monetary, to rebuild it. Leaving burnt stuff in the middle of your city is almost never a good idea.
     
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  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It’s a Cathedral, a sacred place, not a play place. Plenty of places to eat, get coffee and get Internet right around it.
     
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    You’ve been brightsided.
     
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  16. Big MAK

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    Isn't the Vatican rich?
     
  17. Buck Turgidson

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    Yeah, but I didn't know that the cathedral is owned by France and not the Church until today.
     
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  19. Nook

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    Go **** yourself.
     
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  20. Nook

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    Probably from the French Revolution, they seized all religious based land.
     

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