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Night Club Shooting. Possible Hostages Situation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RocketsLegend, Jun 12, 2016.

  1. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

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    we may never know what motivated this man

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I’m the shooter. It’s me. I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State.” <a href="https://t.co/rwhgW1Snk2">https://t.co/rwhgW1Snk2</a></p>&mdash; Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke) <a href="https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/743048254372319232">June 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    This is an argument that he either was a radicalized Islamist or a closet homosexual but that he likely was both.

    Saying he was one doesn't deny that he wasn't motivated or part of the other.
     
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    didn't see this posted yesterday. good to get information from someone that was that close to him in the past.

    yes it does.
     
  4. craguin

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    It has been reported before from one survivor that another man was blocking an exit. I've never heard of two possible accomplices, however...

     
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    You do realize that ISIS didn't exist when they were carrying out their investigation of him... Right?
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    I think we need a lot more info to determine if there was an accomplice. In these type of mass panic situations there is a lot of confusion and someone who may seem to be blocking the exit may have just been stuck due to the crush of people and is probably panicking also.
     
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    I did say "possible accomplice". There's nothing definitive.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Sorry wasn't saying you believed for certain but providing a counterpoint to the info that you posted.
     
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    You mostly heard about Al Qaeda back then but ISIS has been around since 1999. When no one decided to help the Syrian Rebels from being crushed by Bashar al-Assad they took help from the only people who would come to their aid, mostly terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda who were freed up by the US running away in Iraq so they came in and took over and what was once a secular civil war and that led to the rise of ISIS as the dominant force in the region. Also with the US running away in Iraq it gave ISIS plenty of area to claim as their own in order to strengthen their hold in the region.
     
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    CNN: Omar Mateen scouted Disney complex, Pulse, official says
     
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    where were the other claims made if you don't mind my asking?
     
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    Eh this is a large oversimplification, but not totally wrong. I think it's important not to conflate Al-Qaeda and ISIL, who are very different. I'm of the opinion that the debaathification of Iraq's government is largely responsible for the rise of ISIL. It was a horrendous strategic blunder that totally destabilized the region, crippled the Iraqi army, and created a huge power vacuum.
     
  13. No Worries

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    I hope that you do not vote.

    The correct answer is that W invading Iraq for apparently no good reason caused the rise of ISIL in Iraq.

    I like to say hello to all of my D&D friends :cool: as this thread is now quickly heading there.
     
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  14. SC1211

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    I mean I agree with your "correct answer" too, but wanted to avoid the D&D angle.

    Just commenting on the lack of detail/nuance.
     
  15. craguin

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    I agree with this. It doesn't mitigate the danger of mentally ill people or radical Islam to say he was both. Both are serious matters.
     
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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ExIhb5GEqWA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    Thank you Anderson Cooper for calling out the Florida AG.
     
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    Somebody dropped the ball here...

    DHS: If you see something, say something

    ABC News: Orlando Shooter Was Turned Away From Different Gun Store for Being 'Suspicious
     

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