New study: Medicare for All Act would cost $32 trillion+ over next ten years

Watch on 1.5x-2x speed, it goes by faster.

 

That's a great video. The Young Turks generally do a good job fact-checking stories, and also the delineate well between what is their own supposition and what can actually be proven or is established fact.

 

TYT is essentially InfoWars from the fringe left.

 

Real question. Are you the type of conservative who views Hillary and Obama as the "fringe left"?

It has been amusing when throughout the years I have told folks who are now Trump voters that I was a socialist. Much to my surprise, they say essentially: "I thought so" -- because I had previously admitted to supporting Democrats.

 

You understand this doesn't address what I said at all right?

Having pointed out that, there were times that both Hillary and Obama were pretty far to the left of center, but never quite "fringe left". The left has moved so far left now that both of them are MUCH closer to the center of the country than they are to the center of the Democratic Party making them now appear as moderates when they weren't just 10 years ago.

As to people not being surprised by you being a socialist, it probably has to do with your adorable economic takes. When I talk with people that know the least about economics, I assume that they are either socialists of some kind or anarchists of some kind. You know, the favorite politics of short sighted, simple minded people.

 

Tax cuts for the rich is not a good counter argument.

The rich are like yeah, i dont want to pay for your healthcare

 

Well, good news.
A vast majority — 70 percent — of Americans in a new poll supports "Medicare for all," also known as a single-payer health-care system.

The Reuters–Ipsos survey found 85 percent of Democrats said they support the policy along with 52 percent of Republicans.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all

 

Holy M4A, Batman. That was a free 20 minute ad for Bernie and Warren free on YouTube, It's pretty trash it took a damn comedian to break it down while 24 hour news stations couldn't do it or refused to do it because of who is giving them money. I wonder if this gives Bernie and Warren a bump. I wonder if this gets played on MSM.

I wonder if Mayo Pete changes his positions if this goes viral.

 

i don't think John Oliver has as much influence as someone like John Stewart.

John Oliver makes some really solid arguments especially when explaining how the problems people have with M4A already exist in the current private markets system except a portion of the country just doesn't have any health coverage. Also I'm glad he acknowledges the short term problems it will create and emphasises that it will need a lengthy transition period.

I think being more upfront and honest of the short term fears that people have and addressing them will make independent voters understand that at least one side isn't selling their **** as perfect infallible from direct from God rhetoric and is being honest.

 

This was a really nice piece for him to do, this will hopefully wake a couple of people up to all of the gaslighting around M4A in the media.

An example of gaslighting on healthcare in the debates.



I can't get over how Biden told the American people that his healthcare plan only cost 750 billion per decade in comparison to Bernie's plan costing 30 trillion per decade. Biden legitimately suggested that his healthcare plan would only cost the American people 75 billion a year by phrasing the comparison the way he did. We currently spend 3.5 + trillion per year on our healthcare. Have I gone mad or does every candidate proposing "medicare for all who wants it/public option/build on ACA" always leave that out of their "very not pie in the sky fiscally responsible plan" speech?

3.5+ trillion per year, that's (you guessed it) 35 trillion per decade (5 trillion more then Bidens 30 trillion # for M4A) for our current healthcare system that leaves over 80+ million Americans un or underinsured, that leaves 30k+ dead per year due to lack of access, 500k Americans bankrupt, and attributes a lot to some of America's abysmal health outcomes compared to the majority of high developed countries. But don't worry, uncle Joe is going to add a measly 75 billion per year to this plan and that will totally fix the majority of these problems, at a fiscally responsible price of 35.75 trillion that Americans can afford unlike crazy Bernies silly 30 trillion dollar M4A plan that we can't afford.

The moderates are lying about their healthcare plans. They disingenuously throw out how much the federal government would spend on a single-payer PUBLIC healthcare plan while comparing it to "their" plans which are majority PRIVATE plans that don't show up on federal budgets. They don't mention that the American people are going to spend just as much if not more on our current healthcare system. They spit and lie in the face of the American people every time they try to pretend M4A costing "30+ trillion" is some sort of disgusting gigantic number that is so much more then what we are spending.

 

It’s up to the M4A candidates to explain and dumb it down to a level most American would understand while acknowledging all the risks. It’s hard to do because politician are scared to death that whenever they acknowledge a weakness, it get used to kill them. But by not doing the compare and contrast, the pro/Con, they leave it to imagination and imagination run wide while
opponents get to dictate the conversation, constantly bringing up the OMG how bad it could be. They also gain credibility about being straight and truthful . Warren stay too complex and try to hide and avoid the difficult answers - people see through that. Bernie stays too simple and just yell without explaining too much. A bit more coloring would help him. The failures are on them more than the reactions.

His last two points are legitimate fear - do you trust the gov to run such a large program, what do you do with the millions who would lose their current jobs.

 

I don’t see it as a lie. Biden is highlighting the diff in what it cost the gov. Neither Bernie nor warren attack that directly and tell Biden his plan cost 30 trillion also (with less coverage plus all these issues) - because xyz. They stayed at show casing the benefits, who pay for it, but the huge price difference wasn’t explained to the public.

 

delete

 

It's not going viral.

Sorry.

 

This has been my whole issue around the M4A debate.

 

You do know both Warren and Bernie have a transition period right and a plan for the loss of jobs in the health insurance industry?

I think Bernie is up front about the costs and the short term issues. Warren not as much.

 

What does this have to do with what I said?

 

Well then I don't know what you exactly meant when you said "This has been my whole issue around the M4A debate".

Can you be more specific so I don't incorrectly make an assumption?