His Slavery "is a mortal sin; today we say this. Back then, some would say that this could be done because these people did not have a soul!" he said. The number of people enslaved today is "even more, but at least we know that it is a mortal sin. The same goes for the death penalty; for a time, it was normal. Today, we say that the death penalty is inadmissible."
The Pope's thoughts on things aren't the end all be all. There are various levels of truths and authorities. If the Pope says green is a better color then blue, it doesn't make it so. That's not how this works. The death penalty wasn't "Ok" for 2000 years and then just became "a mortal sin" when Pope Francis decided it on August 2, 2018. It is a matter of Francis' prudential judgment. Is Pope Francis’ conclusion in the revision a prudential judgment? Yes, it is a prudential judgment. In order to understand what is meant by a ‘prudential judgment,’ Father Dwight Longenecker provides a general framework for thinking about the different hierarchy of truths within Catholicism. He identifies the hierarchy of truths as dogmas, doctrines, disciplines, and prudential judgments. Dogmas are “divinely revealed truth of the first order that a Catholic must hold to” such as the Virgin Birth, Incarnation, and Resurrection. A doctrine is a “worthy teaching of the church that is not of the first order of revelation” but that Catholics must accept “with good will and in a spirit of faith[.]” Disciplines are the “ordinary moral teaching of the church which we are to ‘receive with religious assent’” as they are “given directly from the Lord.” Prudential judgments are “applications of the moral teachings” which Catholics should receive “with an open heart and mind, but they are not binding.” Abortion for example is considered "intrinsically evil" which leaves no room for equivocation. The Catholic Church, nor Francis use this language to describe the death penalty.
that's interesting, found the entire discussion at https://www.lincolndiocese.org/op-e...11149-pope-revises-catechism-on-death-penalty Appreciate your posting that
This is good too: https://dwightlongenecker.com/do-you-have-to-accept-the-popes-death-penalty-decision/ It's a bit more of a complicated/unclear situation... unlike abortion... so people will intentionally manipulate it to play "gotcha." Do not take Whoopi Goldberg's advice on what the authority and role of a Bishop is.
that will allow state sanctioned killings is just lol, It's not complicated. I was taught as a kid that the death penalty was wrong, same with abortion, same with sexy time without babies etc, this was a pretty consistent message, even if i thought it was wrong or didn't agree. As the Catholic church aligns itself more closely with the Republican party - suddenly its complicated! You see all sorts of goofy kind of utilitarian type arguments out there "well abortion is legal in 50 states so it's worse!". Notwithstanding this is all to support a state policy that is an abject failure: arbitrarily applied at best, regularly results in horrendous miscarriages of justice, and doesn't really even work in terms of its stated goals It is complicated.... for them. Not too complicated for me.
Oh, that's what @SamFisher was taught as a kid, well that settles it! There's definitely no debate on it anymore!
Congrats to Nancy Pelosi, Clyburn and probably Obama for it looks like reelecting the only anti-abortionist in of the House Democrats. These losers who head the Dems and keep losing seats to the Republicans while self proclaiming themselves as big brain political geniuses just don't get it. I guess their plan is to just let the frustrated working class, particularly white, to keep getting more and more extreme Q Anon or whatever until their fellow 1 percenters of both parties they hang out finally can't take it either. Hopefully we don't have full blown fascism which will negate this plan if that is what they are hoping for.
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