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Nancy Pelosi

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. ROCKSS

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    Agreed, let some new blood in, the Dems have to start with some new faces....the question is who? She does get things done and I appreciate that but she's had her shot, now let someone else give it a go
     
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    apparently starring in Sister Act makes Whoopi an expert

     
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  4. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    That is a valid point. The Catholic Church does consider the death penalty a mortal sin. There are Catholic Senators and Representatives who openly advocate for the death penalty and call for it in situations.
     
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    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Do all those preachers in the Catholic church that diddled with little kids and boys get communion?

    DD
     
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    Actually the super-catholic, super-pro-life members of the Supreme Court like Barrett, Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas more or less have the unilateral power to stop the death penalty in most death penalty appeal cases and willingly and repeatedly send men and women to their deaths again and again with very few exceptions. If anything they try to make it easier for the state to do so. Unlike legislators or Presidents, since they have pretty much unilateral power, they could bascially stop the death penalty tomorrow if they wanted to.

    This literally never gets brought up by the US conf of catholic bishops or the other right wing catholic orgs....it's almost like they're in it for the culture war more so than anything else. Surprise!
     
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    Yes, they have to give to them or else they'd leave for the Southern Baptist Convention.

     
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yep... and if the Archbishop claims the denial of Communion to Pelosi is not political, he is lying and continuing to profess denial is perpetuating that lie.
     
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    Pretty sure what the Catholic laity have to assent to in regards to capital punishment is more complex then what you or Nancy Pelosi are asserting.

    Papal infallibility and when his speaking in that capacity and all that is somewhat involved.

    It is a nice attempt at a "gotcha" though.
     
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  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Please explain
     
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    Isn't that the anti-vax archbishop? I mean, that's just enough right there to literally ignore everything he says/remove him.
     
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    I think it means he's assumed that they have developed a rationalization to oppose one but not the other (even though they both come from the same source) while still broadly claiming to be "pro-life"

    Once you go down that road it's pretty easy to say "my comments to the speaker of the house about political issues and the subject of legislation is purely pastoral, not political!" like the good antivaxbishop.
     
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    She doesn’t know what she’s talking about and basically everyone else here also doesn’t know what they are talking about with regards to the Catholic church.
     
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  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Does the Catholic Church consider the death penalty a mortal sin in the vast, vast majority of the cases?

    If not, why do you say that?
     
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    Why do you say that it does?

    It is easy to merely assert things or ask complicated questions.

    It's more complicated and time consuming to adequately explain the very long and complex relationship of the Catholic Church and the death penalty.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Pope Francis said so...

    And also, I was wrong, the Catholic Church revised their teaching and the death penalty is now unacceptable in all cases.
     
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    It's more complicated then "Pope Francis said so." I know that's what you'd prefer to think though. He also didn't say it's a "mortal sin to support the death penalty" - your words or his?

    Good Q&A

    https://www.lincolndiocese.org/op-e...11149-pope-revises-catechism-on-death-penalty
     

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