Muslims groom and rape over 1400 underage girls in Rotherham, England

Did leftists and Islamists blindfold everyone on the epidemic of priests raping boys for decades?

Somehow that religious scandal, which has had a much broader impact on western societies than any aspect of Islam, has not prompted you to post endless threads about the evils of Christianity.

 

As much as you are trying to make it so, child abuse is not exclusive AT ALL to catholic priests or to Christianity.

I addressed the topic numerous times.

I also started a thread about something that sheds an extremely negative light on the Catholic church:

Bodies of 800 babies, long-dead, found in septic tank at former Irish home for unwed mothers

 

This didn't happen in a vacuum.

Authority didn't care. Even view victims with contempt. Might as well put up a message that said, if you are a girl from a disadvantage background, you aren't worthwhile. Do what you want with them, we won't care.

 

The problem is if we found some sex ring in the United States, where most people are Christian, we wouldn't tie the word Christian to the news. There are sex rings all around the world, Eastern Europe for example, and we don't tie the word Christian to it.

 

That's because them being Christian is not part of the cause.

Are you willing at all to discuss the argument Lord Ahmed (a Muslim) is making?

What links UK jihadis and Rotherham sex abusers? Mosques failing to give them moral leadership says LORD AHMED

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...leadership-says-LORD-AHMED.html#ixzz3C0Mg9AAF
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Here is another take on the issue, from a remarkable (and amazingly pretty) woman who grew up in a similar community.

Her opinion is that religion has nothing to do with it and that it is more of a cultural issue (a culture of shame). I think she is wrong and that the part she misses is that the culture of shame and the religious ideology are strongly intertwined, but her article is very interesting.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir

The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim



The extraordinary story of Ruzwana Bashir: the Oxford-educated entrepreneur brought up in a British-Pakistani community shares her own story to tear down the wall of silence around the exploitation of Asian girls
Ruzwana Bashir

A decade after leaving her home town of Skipton, Ruzwana Bashir finally felt able to return and testify against her abuser.

It was with a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes that I read about the horrific cases of abuse and neglect revealed in the Rotherham report this week.

Much of the media coverage has focused on how men of mostly Asian descent preyed on vulnerable young white victims. The details of this abuse are awful. But what has largely been ignored is the report’s finding that sexual abuse has been systemically under-reported among Asian girls due to deeply entrenched cultural taboos – obscuring the reality that there is a similarly rampant problem of minority girls being abused by members of their own community.

I have first-hand knowledge of this problem. I’m coming forward to publicly share my own story in the hope that I can encourage others to do the same and help tear down the wall of silence that perpetuates further abuse.

I grew up in a small community of a few hundred British-Pakistanis in Skipton, less than 60 miles from Rotherham. When I was 10 a neighbour started sexually abusing me. Paralysed by shame, I said nothing.

At 18 I was fortunate enough to receive an offer to study at Oxford University. I was enthralled with the exciting new world around me and tried desperately to fit in. I replaced my traditional shalwar kameez with jeans. I bared my shoulders and cut my hair. I socialised more than I studied and became president of the Oxford Union.

An internship at Goldman Sachs led to a job in private equity in London, and after a few years I moved to the US to get my MBA from Harvard Business School. But all the while, I knew the girls I had grown up with didn’t have the same opportunities – and that my abuser was probably still preying on other children.

It was only after a decade away from Skipton that I was finally able to garner the courage to return and testify against my abuser. When I first told my mother about the abuse I’d suffered, she was absolutely devastated. The root of her anger was clear: I was heaping unbound shame on to my family by trying to bring the perpetrator to justice. In trying to stop him from exploiting more children, I was ensuring my parents and my siblings would be ostracised. She begged me not to go to the police station.

If I’d still been living in Skipton, surrounded by a community who would either blame me for the abuse or label me a liar, I’m not sure I could have rejected her demands.

Once the police began the investigation another victim came forward. Sohail described how he too had been abused almost 20 years before I was. Due to our combined testimony, the perpetrator was jailed for eight years.


Within a few weeks another young woman in the community, emboldened by the conviction, told the police that a relative had raped her for several years. It had started before Sara was in her teens. We have supported her through the process of taking this to court.

Although Sohail and I had removed a proven paedophile from the community and helped empower another woman to end her torture, we were not celebrated. On the contrary, we were shunned.

The Rotherham report cites a home affairs select committee finding that cases of Asian men grooming Asian girls did not come to light in Rotherham because victims “are often alienated and ostracised by their own families and by the whole community, if they go public with allegations of abuse”.

This was our experience exactly – and the experience of everyone I’ve since spoken to. In each situation, victims and their families faced tremendous pressure to drop their cases.

During our investigation it became clear that for three decades many other women had suffered at the hands of our abuser, but they had refused to testify against him because of the indelible stigma it would bring. I learned that the parents of at least one of the victims had known their child had been abused but had done nothing. We also discovered that the larger community had long been aware of rumours of abuse by my neighbour but had chosen to ignore them – even when Sohail had attempted to come forward several years earlier.

This refusal to condemn perpetrators persists even after their conviction. Soon after our case, another convicted sex offender was released back into our community and was accepted as if nothing had happened. It was clear that the same would happen with our abuser.

Much has been made about the religious background of the offenders in the Rotherham report. But this problem isn’t about religion race: it’s about a culture where notions of shame result in the blaming of victims rather than perpetrators.

Although painful to read, the Rotherham report presents an opportunity. It’s an opportunity for leaders in the British-Pakistani community to stand up and speak out about the sexual and physical abuse in their midst. The Asian community isn’t unique in having evil-doers, and the overwhelming majority of its men and women are good people who care about protecting others.

I am and always will be proud of my Pakistani heritage, but I firmly believe community leaders must take responsibility for the fact that the taboos that prevent others from identifying perpetrators and supporting victims enable further abuse. And those taboos must be challenged.

The report also presents an opportunity to overhaul the public institutions that have failed in their responsibility to protect the defenceless – which includes everyone from the police to schools to social services.

On multiple occasions, beginning when she was 12, Sara went to her local GP and to walk-in clinics wearing her hijab to get the morning-after pill. She was never asked if she needed help. When she approached the police to share her story the CPS initially told her it would not pursue the case because there was too little evidence. It’s a testament to her resolve that she pushed back, demanding a chance to seek justice.

The system failed her, just as it has thousands of other children of all backgrounds.

We now have the chance to change that, and there are four immediate steps we should take to address this problem.

First, we need better training of social workers and police to effectively identify victims. The Rotherham report cited that one of the reasons for the widespread under-reporting of abuse among minority communities was the authorities’ focus on communicating with male leaders, who ignored the problem. Women and girls need to be included in these conversations, and government officials need to broaden the scope of their inquiries.

Second, we need mandatory reporting by people of authority when they signs of potential sexual abuse. One of the most damning parts of the Rotherham report was that schoolteachers were discouraged from reporting potential cases. For Sara, mandatory reporting by doctors serving young children could have saved her years of abuse.

Third, we need improved support for victims when they come forward. Sara’s case has been drawn out for far longer than expected, during which time she has faced pressure to withdraw her testimony. She has been passed from one counsellor to another, and struggled to get the help she needs to overcome her trauma. We need a judicial process that recognises the cost of delayed prosecutions for victims and better counselling services.

Fourth, we need a single person in each community who is accountable for ensuring these and other relevant policies are implemented. There are a lot of people with partial responsibility for this problem, but for this to be an effective, coordinated, comprehensive response, we need one individual who takes full responsibility for ensuring child sex exploitation is addressed and who can be held accountable for real change.

Some of these policies are already being implemented. But they are not being implemented everywhere, and they are not being implemented quickly enough.

The biggest risk of this terrible situation is that once the shock of this report dissipates, it will get swept under the rug, just like three previous reports in Rotherham. We cannot let that happen. We don’t need any further reports: we need system-wide change in the way we approach fighting sexual abuse against children of all backgrounds. This is not a problem in Rotherham or a problem in Oxford or a problem in Rochdale. This is a problem in the United Kingdom. And we need to tackle it together.

In the words of Edmund Burke, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good [people] to do nothing.” Let’s not be those people.

 

No, it's because you're a freaking nutball and you believe any crime committed by a Muslim is because he's a Muslim. Carry on, crazy.

 

I understand you are intellectually unable to come up with anything better than this. Makes me feel a bit sorry for you.

 

It's exclusive to muslims and Islam?


And if I'm trying to make child abuse exclusive to priests or Christianity, I'm sure you'll have no problem citing those posts.

 

You have already embarrassed yourself enough when you insinuated that I hadn't posted about bad things done by Christians, which was immediately debunked. Now you are trying again. Sorry that you are frustrated by reality.

 

If you threw gangs/pimps in the title it would be more appropriate. Though still misleading nevertheless if you kept Muslims in the title. I don't think rape is condoned by the religion. I guess Pakistani gangs/pimps would be fitting.

In terms of shocking there are many examples, sadly rape and sexual assaults occur in scary numbers, EVERYWHERE. Maybe you need to look at stats of College sexual assault in the US.

Another scary stats is the rape of underage girls in Thailand, number is far greater than 1400 over a shorter period of time. The average client is.....unlike the OP I think it would be silly to place people from a certain region or race behind it.

I don't get the debate or discussion to be had in this thread unless we are talking about this problem as a global issue.

 

But wait isreal with freedom of speech and equal rights are the bad guys!.

 

Who says there's only one set of bad guys?

 

wuht?

 

Has the Catholic church been contacted yet?

 

Peek is a great company.

would this thread have gotten more or less discussion if it was "men" groom and rape over 1400 underage girls in Rotherham, England---I wonder.

 

I do think the culture of shame encourages people to commit these sorts of crime. It isn't Islam that causes them to rape, it's the fact that women are seen as lesser. Some may see that as an issue with Islam but in reality it is more complex than that.

The failure here is systemic though, and that's what people need to realize. The police and social net failed here badly.

 

So ****ty people do ****ed up stuff and you're pointing fingers at Islam? What. The. ****.

So for all the sex trafficking going on in Brazil, a country that is dominantly Christian, we should condemn the religion?

 

Do you feel that women are treated as equal in Islam? Do you feel that they are treated as equal in predominantly Muslim societies such as Pakistan or Saudi-Arabia? Isn't it a cop-out to say "it's cultural, not religious" (which seems to be what you are trying to insinuate with the "it is more complex than that" statement) when the religious ideology totally defines and dominates the culture of the society?

 

I can't listen to world news any longer. It puts me in a very bad state of mind.

 

Ms. Ruzwana Bashir seems to think it's a cultural issue.

What she wrote is ****ing outrageous. Having that **** in Britain is a real sobering thought.