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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Two Sandwiches, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.
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    If Bouye is basically taking Joseph's spot and contract....Wilfork is done...Why cut Cushing with nobody to replace him?
     
  2. justtxyank

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    So you were making it up when you said there were direct quotes from McNair (or anyone) that BOB didn't want Osweiler? Got it.

    We actually have direct quotes from OBrien about being excited about Osweiler. The narrative at the time was that Osweiler and Smith agreed that they couldn't get anyone that Obrien liked in the draft (Wentz) and Osweiler was the best option they had.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    Which means he didn't like Lynch or Prescott either
     
  4. ipaman

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    keep ignoring 90% of everything else and hanging on to your 10%. Smith has Bronco tunnel vision and has a poster of Elway above his bed and now we're saddled with Brock for another year. To be fair, BOB has Pats tunnel vision and that's how we ended up with Hoyer/Mallet and a few others. But that's been handled. Basically Texans are Pats Broncos South except we don't win the big trophies.
     
  5. ipaman

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    Actually I saw live (on only network) that Texans/BOB interviewed Dak at the combine but his pre-draft DUI (acquitted) shut the door on any possibility for the Texans. Keep in mind they would have stilled signed Brock but also drafted Dak if available.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    Well we saw in Dallas what can happen when you build up a line to put a rookie behind. They don't have to be very good in order to look awesome when they face little to no pressure and have WR's that get open and actually catch the ball. Now that's still not as good as having an Aaron Rodgers, but realistically you aren't going to miracle into an Aaron Rodgers so it's the next best thing.
     
  7. ipaman

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    What happened in Dallas makes my point and disproves yours. Dallas got as far as we did and they are loaded on offense with a decent defense. Their offensive roster is way better than the Texans and they still got as far as we did. You need a franchise QB (Dak may turn into one but he's not right now) to make noise no matter how good your defense (#1) is or how good your offense (Cowboys OL and RB/WR) is. That means you have to take risks to miracle into a Rodgers or Roethlisberger, etc... That said the risks can be mitigated with good QB evaluation and development. Don't believe me, look at the SB champs for the last 20-30 years. Filled with QB legends and only a few one-off champions with average QBs who got hot that year.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    No, it really doesn't. Dallas got where they are now by building a team up to the point where it could win with just about anyone at QB due to the amazing O line and run game. They didn't just keep drafting QB's year after year hoping to miracle into an Aaron Rodgers. Now if Dallas spent a little bit more effort on defense instead of nearly all of that effort on offense, they'd still be playing right now.

    I know that your narrative is a popular one, but it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.....and IF it was true, it means that teams should spend all 7 picks on QB's every single year until they miracle into an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.....which most would agree is stupid. The recent history of the NFL shows that there are 2 ways to win the SB, having an elite QB or having a dominant defense and run game like Denver, Seattle, or Baltimore. Now if you want to ignore that 2nd option and just hope to miracle your way into Tom Brady....fine, but it makes conversations really short.
     
  9. Houstunna

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    Cut Cushing at his current salary.

    Not sure why they couldn't retain Wilfork if they were already paying JJ and Vince at the same time.


    Brock oughta donate some of his salary regardless.
     
  10. rocketpower2

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    McClain and Brian Smith are maybe the worst big market media members in the country. My god, they ask the worst questions.
     
  11. TheRealist137

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    The Falcons, Packers, Patriots, and Steelers all have above average offensive lines. You really need both a great QB and a great O-line to win consistently in the NFL. That's why the Texans are so far away from being a legit contender.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Wilfork is talking about retirement, so it's not a matter of money.
     
  13. Houstunna

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    Yeah, I'm still wondering why Vince was even mentioned.
     
  14. panamamyers

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    If Fitzpatrick and hoyer had that line and running back, they would look just like dak.
    Anyone can look good with three future hall of famers on the line another one at tight end and an exceptional talent at running back.
     
  15. TheRealist137

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    Not as a 23 year old rookie.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    It's possible that Osweiler or Savage could have looked just the same if they had the line and RB. When you are a QB that faces little to no pressure all game long, it makes the job SO much easier and you don't try to force things because you know you have all the time in the world. When QB's start getting hit almost immediately or facing pressure almost immediately, it makes them start to force things because they don't feel like they have much time to make something happen. Once a QB starts feeling pressure when it's not there, he already lost.
     
  17. panamamyers

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    Sure they could. There are 100 quarterbacks out there that can stand in the pocket all day and throw a ball to a guy 7 yards in the clear.
     
  18. justtxyank

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    Teddy bridgewater is worthless
    Dak Prescott is nothing special
    Russel Wilson is nothing special
    Ryan mallet is the qb hill you'll die on


    Weird
     
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  19. Hank McDowell

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    This really is the truth. The offense looks awful because running that terrible offense really was what gave us the best chance to win given the personnel. It took my a while to realize this, but Brock simply can't throw downfield with the accuracy you need to do it more often than what we did this season. Does it suck? God yes! But with a weak offensive line and an inaccurate quarterback, there really was no other option. It's a miracle that the coaching staff went as far as they did with this group. I'm sorry to say that the overall talent level of this team from top to bottom just isn't nearly as strong as some people seem to think it is (see special team coverage for another example of this!)
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Teddy Bridgewater was nothing special and his career is likely already over
    Dak isn't anything special without that sick O line and run game
    Wilson is a very good game manager
    Ryan Mallett was a better QB option than Hoyer and nothing more.

    At least get it right so you can pretend like you've been paying attention.
     

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