Those who are saying they didn't like it, go back and watch any of the trash George Lucas made after Empire and then re-watch The Last Jedi and see if your opinion doesn't change when it comes to what movies are bad and what movies are good.
People really loved Rogue One huh? Even better than this one? I thought Rogue One was boring. The humor fell flat-mostly due to writing and line delivery. The casting was terrible. The diversity was too obvious and all the different accents were throwing me off. I don't care if they used a diverse cast, but at least make them Brit/Ausi actors with similar accents. 2nd language actors really aren't the best to use for a blockbuster film. I don't want to think about different countries and cultures of Earth when i'm watching Star Wars(and before i get the race card thrown at me. Im not white). The music was uninspiring. Shadows of the Empire score by Joe McNeely was way more engaging for a video game. The CGI was terrible. The Vader scenes were kind of silly. The beach location was too pretty and earth like. It was like they were fighting on a Hawaiian or Caribbean island. Everything before that aesthetically was the most OT feeling though which i loved. The Force Awakens was good, but Maz and that creature scene were awful. The CGI was just so jarring to see. TLJ seemed to have used more CGI and less puppets so it wasn't as distracting. Overall if i had to rate right now, Rogue One is like a 6, TFA is a 7 and TLJ is probably around 8 out of 10. Very mediocre. Nothing that moves me the way the OT did. The magic is gone. I still get goosebumps and my eyes swell with every Yoda scene in EBS and ROTJ. My attachement isn't to Han or Luke, it's to Yoda and TLJ blew it. For it's faults, ROTJ had an amazingly innovative chase scene and the throne room scenes and music was absolutely epic. The Vader funeral pyre scene with the camera panning from his burning body to the sky with fireworks. The celebration with all of our favorite characters we are attached to being happy together for the last time. Amazing ending. I don't get the ROTJ hate. It's better than the prequels and RO and TFA. TLJ MAYBE can pass it if i watch it again. I have zero care or attachment to any of these new characters. Poe is my favorite( wish he was the jedi) and i love BB8 but Rey and Finn and Kylo could have died in this and i wouldn't care. Right now i'd be good scrapping every character except Poe, BB8 and Snoke. Hux is horrible. Kylo sucks. Rey and Finn have zero screen presence. OT cast sucks. 3P0, R2 and Chewy are pointless. Han and Leia were just...too old...ill say it, they sucked. They can barely speak. Luke looks like he's been chilling on the island eating burgers and coloring his hair every few months to keep it from going too grey and his "younger" self looked lame with the horrible frizzy hair and goatee and his outfits sucked. But, other than looks, his character just wasn't Luke anymore. Maz is awful. Rose is pointless. Phasma is useless and not even cool looking..chrome? Looks lame. Honestly, i liked Del Toros character. So there it is...id rather see a franchise featuring Poe, BB8, Snoke and Del Toros characters.
caesar, you just brought up another point: Spoiler what the eff was Maz doing in this film? What in god’s name was going on in that scene? Don’t bother explaining how or why Poe knew to reach out to her. Or knew her at all. Just what the hell was happening?
Saw it for the fifth time today and it is growing on me. Not srs. Haven't seen any of these since the 90s
That’s not my story. I love Star Wars movies. I mistakenly thought I was going to see one last night.
You're right. A lot of pointless scenes. Maybe i should wait to watch this again until there is a fanedit that cuts out a lot of that.
If you edit out a lot of the campy stuff like the droids speaking for example and the Trade Federation. The prequels can actually be fun and a quick watch as they're shortened down quite a bit. I'm thinking this trilogy is going to need a lot of editing as well. But how many people out there actually know about fan edits?
7.5/10 for me, similar to Force Awakens Spoiler The good: Honestly the detail to scenery was gorgeous, the part where they cut Snokes ship in half was one of my favorite Sci Fi scenes ever. Also thank ****ing god they didn't underpower the red guard again. IMO Carrie Fisher was perfect too. This alone warrants 7.5 for me. The bad: I just thought the story was anti climatic, I liked the hype the movies had when there was more speculation trying to figure out who Snoke was. Then they drag the guy out right away, give him like 3 scenes (Darth Maul 2.0) and then they just cut him in half... How do you wield so much power WITHOUT EVEN STANDING UP that you make Kylo look like a little sheep b**** and then the guy can't detect a moving lightsaber INCHES from him. I honestly don't think Adam Drivers done a bad job, but his character just doesn't have the "it factor" to be a respectable big and bad. The guy has like 5 tantrums per movie, stop trying to force him to be the new Vader... especially coming from someone (IMO) who thinks Vader is pretty worn out in the franchise. They should've just made him a really bad ass general (you know, not like Phasma) who barely survives throughout the trilogy and then depending what the character reception is at the end of the third movie, build on his character. There's so so so so so much material that they can already use in Star Wars Universe and they just proceed to shove Vader/Luke/Sidious copies down our ****ing throats. Like good god make your above average movies with "new" material, just give us some damn Old Republic prequels after.
Enjoyed it. Saw it with my nine year old, so that was nice, but I definitely liked TFA and R1 better. I hear a lot of the b****ing going on, and I agree with most of it..........perhaps not to the degree that others are upset about those scenes. A few things that bothered me that I didn't see mentioned: Spoiler Bombers! in the vacuum of space?!? Umm......that wouldn't work. Ridiculous idea., and 2) So wait..........Laura Dern's character just jumped to lightspeed through Snoke's ship and destroyed it? If that works, why didn't someone just develop unmanned drone ships with lightspeed capability? Seems like you could destroy anything in the galaxy Still.......I enjoyed it for all of it's warts. A lot of it seemed hastily thrown together, but it's Star Wars..........I have it in my blood to like it. And I really like Rey. She is a character I care about.
Note: I saw NO TRAILERS to this movie at all. (Same thing with the last 3 SW movies). I go in with zero expectations, only let movie do the speaking. Overall, disappointed in this one. I liked TFA and Rogue One plenty. Surprisingly, I'm okay with most the characters and situations that people here criticize. I did not think "This is Empire Strikes Back 2.0" while I was watching it, I only now am I realizing it at home lol. But do agree that there are too many missed opportunities. Good and Bad [EDITED: Removed Double Post] Spoiler The Good: - Mark Hamill acted just fine. We knew Luke was never played with masterful acting, he did what he needed with what little he got. - Rose and Holdo (Laura Dern) characters are okay. Yes we see the diversity inclusion of female characters. But with Rey far off while Finn's in a coma, another stand-in female sidekick made sense. And Finn isnt a one man wrecking machine. Holdo in command showed that Leia herself was an admired, inspirational figure to emulate. It gave Leia (and strong women) even more validity and respectability in SW. Vader can be admired and emulated, why not Leia? - I liked the visuals. Different, yes. But as usual some amazing effects. Like the dark night time setting on casino planet, was simple but good detail. - The humor was ACTUAL funny, not cheeky silly. The dialogue overall is definitely not the cringeworthy Lucas kind anymore. - Just didnt have much problem with the situations or tone of the film. The Bad: - The Baby Elephant in The Room: Luke Skywalker deserved MUUUCH BETTER than the ending and character treatment he got. Single handedly pretty much killed anything the movie thought it gained by "addition-through-subtraction" already. That was one shed too many. - Luke FINALLY overcomes 2 decades of reclusiveness to join back in, he gathers the strength to face challenges again, sees HIS SISTER, all that he believed in, then just ... vanishes .. in the air? Because "Sheeiiiiit my girl REY GOT THIS!" (and he left them all hanging again in the real world for themselves). All that regeneration just to leave it. What a waste. - Why have Luke submit himself as sacrifice in hologram form, but then willingly die off on his own anyway? If that was his final plan, shoulda just put him in battle. He was basically so stuck on his damn planet he couldnt get off his ass and leave to do physical work, he powered up his Macbook Force edition and worked remotely from home. -The BRAND of humor was good, but TOO MUCH of it was used, at inopportune times especially. - Leia, Holdo AND Phasma were still under-utilized, as much as females are EXTRA included. Holda coulda been one to pass the Carrie Fisher torch to. But Holdo was only there just to talk down "mansplaining" cocky male, then a quick hero exit. Phasma coulda been a new "Boba Fett", but then got "Boba Fett'ed" in a weak death... - Maybe I saw it wrong, but did Poe actually feel" Rey's presence on Snoke's ship in Force-like way? - Benecio Del Toro casually goes from jail bum to wearing First Order clothes, and is the key guy to giving up all freedom of the universe to the Dark side ... for a few bucks. Cuz its "JUST BIDNESS, breh". - As much "hope" that this movie was supposed to be about in face of adversity, everyone was kind of a cynical a-hole or a saboteur. Yoda comes back in a snarky way just to destroy old sacred tradition, because "them old ass books was BORING, doe!" Its supposed to be empowering or illuminating but seemed downhearted too. And Holdo is just there to go down in flames. They do move the story and emotion, but in the end its like theyre just devices to change sh** up. The Yoda temple burn was like lighting a torch to George Lucas and all the old time MYTHICAL folklore of the Star Wars universe, into these "real world" sensibilities. To me it IS that kind of "RELIGION" in a non-religion world that made Star Wars unique. Alongside "hope" is also "faith". Thats part what gave SW its space fantasy tone. Yes Vader and Luke were pretty much the last of the traditional breed of Jedi from A New Hope on, and no one after Luke from RotJ so it was inevitable that Jedi were dissolving (or regrowing). But we got used to a churchy spiritual Jedi council from the prequels. How they re-imagine it from here will be interesting. Can say much more. But I actually give JJ Abrams even more props on TFA. The "Force" AWAKENED in his treatment even with flaws, but now the traditional Force got deadened again, for NOT ready for prime time hero OR villian. Its betting that we love the Non Skywalkers Non Lucas that much, and that future writers can take it forward. Not so sure on that
Agree with the part about .... Spoiler Yoda. He is THE example of Jedi wisdom and spirituality, the scriptural sage himself. Just the way he TALKS is the embodiment of reverence for old knowledge Then in a nihilistic bit of exhibition, he just destroys the ancient texts because "TL;DR LOL" Just didnt seem fitting. Yes he mentioned a reason why it was "time", but either the dialogue was too muddy or the dramatic significance just didnt deliver where it even sank in
my theory on Spoiler yoda: it was actually darth sidious hacking into the force and posing as yoda hologram to destroy the jedi religion.
I’ll take the easy way out here and say i could have written every one of your words minus the family part. I almost walked out a few times (i was by myself) but kept thinking to myself that “this has to get better right? I cannot possibly be disappointed the whole way through”. I was. And damn...I have plans to take my 8 and 5 year old sons, but don’t think it will hold their interest. Star Wars is huge for us and i feel like this could ruin it for them.
I get some of the griping on here and definitely think some of it is ridiculous. But come on. If your 8 and 5 year old sons don’t like it, it will be because you don’t let them.
So they said Kylo left the temple with half the students. What happened to them? Were they the elite guard? Were they the knights of Ren
Better character: Kylo or Jar-Jar? By the way, Can we bring Han Solo back? These movies just have zero swagger. It's like eating a saltine cracker.
i assumed most are probably dead and some probably went and started a family with their own business, whether a restaurant, hotel, or e-commerce.
I was wrong, had mistakenly mixed up my edits. Phantom Edit was the most popular EP 1 edit, while Adywan's was OT edit like you said.
