All i am saying is, yes, it would be exciting to have Dwight Howard on the team. It just wouldn't be feasible. Trust me guys, he will leave after our playoff run. Since we will make the playoffs, that pick will be low. As a matter of fact, we don't even have a pick next season. It belongs to the Nets. So what you really want to do is try for a pick in 2014, which will probably be a weak draft. Definitely weaker than 2012. Getting Howard would basically be setting our team up to fail.
How do you know 2014 draft will be weak? Ok set us up to fail... thats a rebuild in the works... It is not gauranteed that he will leave... Id be curios to know who will have the cap space to sign him in 2013 besides us... and if said team already employs dwill... You must be a serious pessimistic person... I wouldnt mind the mass rebuils thru the draft thia year with picks, but you have nothing but reaches and role players on your mock board draft... we will be exactly were we are now in the future...
Its going to be a 3 way deal with Rockets sticking our nose in every trade going on and we always get the shaft of it all!
I think you're right on about this. The Nets have our pick for next year. They could trade that 16th pick though. They shouldn't.
The primary problem with your argument is that you are making an assumption that Howard would definitely leave after one season. The fact is that walking away would cost Howard $30M. Nobody knows if Howard and his agent are willing to leave that kind of money on the table. As I posted earlier in the thread, Jerry West has said that he doesn't believe any player or agent would leave $30M on the table. That's a whole lot of money (even for these guys) and it's a very different thing than Lebron and Wade taking a couple of million less to go to Miami. Why not do as West suggests and call his bluff (assuming that he would threaten to leave, which again...we don't know for sure that he would)?. How many times has a player walked away from that kind of money? The other assumption that many are making is that you would have to give up practically every asset that you have in order to trade for Howard. If it were a deal for Howard that included a signed extension then that would likely be true since everyone would be making an offer. But for a rental (no extension) there isn't going to be that same market. There's only a handful of teams that are willing to trade for Howard as a rental. That is going to bring the asking price down. We would still have to give up some valuable assets but I don't believe that it would cost what some are speculating.
not sure on this but I think we just have to have a first round pick. doesnt matter if we trade up or down.... we we could give them 14 and 16 and take back their 19th... cause you are not loosing your pick you are simply changing the spot. Also we can offer our pick in 2013 based certain conditions (aka if we are in the lottery) and we can offer mavericks 2013 pick.
You can trade either (but not both). The rule is that you can't be without a 1st round draft pick in two consecutive future drafts. Those picks do not have to be your own. Of course you could always acquire a low 1st round pick in either 2012 or 2013 to allow you to trade both #14 and #16. It's pretty easy to acquire a late 1st rounder.
Yes, there is a below even chance that Howard would stay. But there are no rebuilding options that involve good chances. We've seen what the stay the course strategy produces -- a 1% chance at a lotto pick each year. Every other option involves taking a chance on a trade or big free agent signing. I would take the chance of Howard being persuaded by $30 million any day over a 1% lottery shot.
yah thats what I was saying...I thought that was the case. I am sure they can easily get a their hands on a low pick if that is the deal breaker in all of this.
it would be easy just to offer the 14 and 16 and have the magic send back their 19....or if a 3rd team is involved we sent martin or scola their and get their pick.
Okay. So that doesn't change the fact that we would possibly have Deight for this coming season. Again, i would rather gamble on going all out for a star like Howard and possibly convincing him to sign an extension than staying mediocre for the next decade or so. Just give Morey a superstar to work with and i assure everyone, Morey would be money. Morey without a superstar and a city such as Houston in the NBA = Problems Morey with a superstar = Championship contender for sure He knows how to build around a star and he has proven it before.
Here's a pretty good article from a Rocket fan.. The necessity for change, Part 2: Dwight Howard By MICHAEL PINA | JUNE 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM * Yesterday I tackled why trading for Rudy Gay could be Houston’s first step towards associating their basketball team with wins,*prime time*television slots, and clear identification. But when it’s placed in a vacuum, the acquisition feels inadequate. Gay is expensive, and to build around him—and him alone—would be a mistake. After watching his entire career (including college) I get the feeling he’s too serene of a person to consistently lead others on the basketball court. That doesn’t mean he’ll never win a championship, only that as the best player on a team, he’d be a more marketable version of Joe Johnson. When the Celtics moved the No. 5 pick for Ray Allen five years ago, it felt like the team just bought Paul Pierce a new car, only the doors were locked, and the keys were rendered useless on the driver’s seat. Then Danny Ainge jimmied the window open, sparked the ignition, and placed Kevin Garnett’s foot on the gas. Today I’ll be covering a much bigger fish, giving reason to why Gay as a secondary option could take the Houston Rockets to the places they want to go. This ensuing transaction is the type of move that wipes mist off the windshield.The Rockets send Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, Marcus Morris, this year’s 14th*or 16th*pick (whichever they didn’t already surrender in the deal for Gay), a 2013 top 10 protected first round pick, and Dallas’ first round pick from the Derek Fisher trade to Orlando for Dwight Howard. Why Orlando would do it: The Magic have three options right now, and one of them isn’t under their control. They can hang onto Dwight Howard and get nothing if he walks after next season. They can re-sign him to a five-year, $120 million deal once the year ends. Or they can trade him and begin their rebuilding process. Given his embryonic unpredictability over the past year or so, the smartest plan from Orlando’s point of view might be to part ways. With no chance of replacing Howard’s on-court production, the Magic should be looking for a combination of draft picks, young assets, and a central building block to kick start the whole process. Luckily, the Rockets have all of those things. Clearly, the liquid sugar in this cup of coffee are the three first rounders—including one this year that would give Orlando two first round picks to play with (they currently have the 19th*and 49th*picks). The draft is a cheap yet very difficult, and possibly inefficient, path to rebuilding a team, but frankly, what other choices do the Magic have right now? Seriously? Trade for*Bynum*and then do the whole thing over again with another big man who shares the same “I’m larger than life” complex that Howard has? Good luck with that. With Jameer Nelson reportedly prepared to opt out of his contract,*Lowry becomes the centerpiece of this deal. He’s one of the premier point guards in the game who just so happens to currently be had on an affordable contract. Lowry is also looking to bounce back from a season that ended on an unfortunate note. He has much to prove—and much to gain, as he’s set to become a free agent in 2013. Marcus Morris is an untapped lottery pick, effectively a rookie heading into next season with a future that’s uncertain in a way that he could either end up serving some team’s rotation for the common good, or flaming out into utter uselessness. Nobody knows. (As for Luis Scola? Well, the money to make this deal possible has to come from somewhere, right?) Nobody wants to fall TOO far (see: Bobcats, Charlotte), but by grabbing Scola and Lowry, two high character guys who play basketball in a tough yet fair way, and having them lead the way for the next couple years, rebuilding shouldn’t be so bleak. That team won’t roll over for anybody, and as a fan that’s something you’ve got to be proud with. Who knows? Maybe you win the lottery next year and get Cody Zeller or Nerlens Noel? The sooner they deal Howard, the better off they’ll be. Why Houston would do it: By trading for a superstar who’s in the final year of his contract, the Rockets would be placing themselves in the same risky situation that Brooklyn did with Deron Williams. There’s always the possibility that he walks away, but with Gay on board, and the chance to offer Howard an extra year and more money than any other team bidding for his services, the Rockets would have a convincing advantage. The fact is, grabbing Howard has never been more pertinent. With Anthony Davis in the division for the foreseeable future, Bynum about to enter his prime, and teams like Sacramento, Utah, Golden State, and Memphis all centralizing their strength around a*formidable*front court, in a couple years the Western Conference playoffs could be like hiking through a*treacherous*mountain range. It goes without saying that if the Rockets move Lowry they can’t afford to let Goran Dragic go. Signing him would be crucial, which begs the asking of an important question: Can Houston really afford all of this? With Gay and Howard you’d have two players signed to contracts totaling approximately $35.9 million next year. (To give this some context, Oklahoma City will have $29 million tied into Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant next season, and $31.6 the year after that.) The Rockets would have a starting lineup of Dragic, Lee (a question mark because of his restricted free agency, but maybe he takes a discount to be reunited with Howard), Gay, Patrick Patterson, and Dwight Howard. That unit is talented enough to win a championship, in my opinion, but it’s the bench where things grow dicey. Let’s say they sign Lee to a generous five-year, $35 million deal. They’ll have just under $55 million tied into Howard, Gay, Lee, Dragic (at $9 million), Budinger, and Patterson. This doesn’t include Sam Dalembert who’s guaranteed $1.5 million, and if he isn’t waived on or before July 8th*the price tag jumps to $6.7 million. It also doesn’t include the combined $1.4 million the team could option to keep Courtney Fortson and Diamon Simpson, two players who combine for a grand total of 95 minutes playing in the NBA. Taking them both into consideration, the team gets to approximately $57.9 million, which is just about the salary cap’s ceiling. They’d have about $12 million to spend on four or five more players to fill out the bench before they cross the luxury tax. Here’s the list of veterans who might be willing to chase a title on a one year, league minimum salary: Tracy McGrady, Antawn Jamison, Leandro Barbosa, Matt Barnes, DeShawn Stevenson, Mike Bibby, Michael Redd, and Grant Hill. That’s pretty sums up all the realistic options, and to be frank, I think that team could be good enough to win a title. In the end it’s a risky plan, but risks bring reward. Right now anything is better than more of the same."
So what you are saying is, if he does come here, we pretty much have him on lock, right?? Because he won't walk away from that kind of money, right? Then guess what, he ain't coming.
How so? Lakers picking up the option makes more sense. Bynum isn't the kind of big who can demand where he goes. If they did that trade,bynum wuld probably sign and extension asap. If not, orlando could sign and trade or kinda start over. Jus because ur crazy howard trade are not even remotely possible,I don't see why lakers getting downt make more sense.
Most draftdd players are one and done... you cant say this draft is suckin the talent out of the 2014 draft because the talented freshman draftsd this year wouod have.never stayed to thier junior year... your grasping at straws trying to back your arguement... Only way you could say 2014draft will be weak is if you knew all the ceilings of current juniors and seniors next year will be low and crappy... but we know that is false because theyre is always a surplus of talent coming out of highschool... not to mention upper classmen that are usually drafted barely play there freshman year, start or bigger role in sophmore year, and break out junior year... so your also saying all freshman not drafted this year sucks... Your bias towards this draft beimg deep is blinding... there is alot of talent deep, yes... but theyre is only one surefire superstar.... this draft is.deep on good players, not deep on great players...
