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MN Poised to Become the Next State to Legalize Gay Marriage

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    The MN State House voted to legalize Gay marriage today and the Senate is likely to follow with the Governor saying he will sign it.

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/206839161.html

    In historic vote, Minnesota House approves gay marriage bill

    A bipartisan coalition in the Minnesota House passed a measure Thursday to legalize same sex-marriage, setting in motion what could be a historic turning point for gay and lesbian rights in Minnesota.

    “All Minnesotans deserve the freedom to marry the person they love and we are proud to take this historic vote to ensure same-sex couples have that right,” said House Speaker Paul Thissen, DFL-Minneapolis.

    The dramatic vote came after a sometimes passionate, three-hour debate that culminated when four Republican members privately wrestling with the issue joined a majority of Democrats to pass the measure 75-59. The debate raged as hundreds of advocates from both sides gathered outside the House gallery chanting, waving signs and praying.

    Opponents failed in their last-minute push to persuade a crucial few legislators that the DFL-controlled Legislature is going against the wishes of a majority of Minnesotans. They are now regrouping to convince Senators that marriage is a union between one man and one woman ordained by God, not any state or federal law. A final Senate vote comes Monday.

    “My heart breaks for Minnesota,” said a Rep. Peggy Scott, R-Andover.

    “It’s a divisive issue that divides our state,” she said, wiping tears from her eyes as she stood on the House floor after the vote. “It’s not what we needed to be doing at this time. We want to come together for the state of Minnesota, we don’t want to divide it.”

    The issue is undergoing a remarkable transformation in the state. Just two years ago, Republicans who then controlled the Legislature put a measure on the ballot that would have inserted into the Constitution a ban on same-sex marriage. Voters defeated the measure, sending one of the first faint signals in what is becoming a profound national shift on the issue. Within months, advocates from the other side returned to the Capitol to press legislators to make Minnesota the 12th state to legalize same-sex marriage.

    The debate stands to be the most divisive, dramatic and unpredictable at the Capitol this year.

    In the days after the vote was announced, same-sex opponents pounded Thissen’s office with calls, at the rate of one a minute. Minnesotans United, which is pushing for same-sex marriage, kept up its relentless lobbying effort on uncommitted lawmakers.

    “Justice is knocking,” said state Rep. Carlos Mariani, DFL-St. Paul. “How often does justice come knocking? Until we open the door.”

    Same-sex marriage opponents renewed their calls to leave marriage as it is.

    Rep. Glenn Gruenhagen, R-Glencoe, said he fears that schools will eventually be forced to teach students about homosexuality in sex education classes, normalizing what he considers deviant behavior.

    “Thinks about what’s best for the children,” Gruenhagen said. “Please vote for the children.”

    Rep. Kelby Woodard, R-Belle Plaine, said the measure sends a terrible message to Minnesotans who oppose same-sex marriage.

    “We are classifying half of Minnesotans as bigots in this bill — and they are not,” Woodard said.

    Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Vernon Center, said he was raised by a mother and a father and continues to believe that is best for children, but “I am not a homophobe or a Neanderthal or a hater.”
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Good for MN.

    Sad that we have to do this on a state by state basis, though.

    Obama is definitely wrong for saying it should be left up to the states.
     
  3. Big MAK

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    politics at its finest.
     
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    Bachmann must be crying. Good.
     
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    Great day here in Minnesota today. Glad to see the DFL step up and get this done. Kudos to the 4 Republicans that crossed over and voted for marriage equality as well as the Dems in rural areas that risked re-election by voting for this.

    The best part of all of this is that this is all the result of the Republicans in 2011. The Republicans took both houses in 2010 and then proceeded to put a gay marriage ban on the ballot. Not only did the marriage amendment fail (the first time in the US), it also mobilized a very strong grassroots effort to push for gay marriage.

    If the Republicans hadn't put the gay marriage ban on the ballot for 2012, there probably wouldn't have been the momentum to push for legalizing gay marriage this session.
     
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    No I think Bachmann's husband is probably crying. Tears of regret?
     
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    It'll eventually happen in every state, sooner or later. As long as churches aren't required to marry them, then I won't argue.
     
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    MN?

    didn't need another thread for this imo
     
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    Can't wait till it happens in Texas
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    The Republicans seriously miscalculated where the MN populace stood regarding both gay marriage and the voter ID. Both amendments went down in defeat allowing the DFL (Democrats) to retake both houses. A lot of post election analysis showed that Republicans took it for granted that both amendments would pass and would also be a benefit to the overall Republican ticket. They ended up organizing and fundraising much later than the opposition to those amendments.
     
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    Listening to the MN Senate debate right now on the marriage bill. One senator is currently citing Jesus and God to oppose the bill. He also just said this issue will divide the state more than any issue in MN since the Civil War.
     
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    So will Bachmann hold to her word and leave the state? Probably not...does anyone find it funny that she was running for president?
     
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    Listening to it as well. Heard that as well. Pretty silly stuff from a lot of Republicans on the floor today.

    Very proud of Minnesota today. Hopefully the vote goes smoothly
     
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    Michele Bachmann has bigger issues to deal with like campaign improprieties in Iowa.
     
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    Several Republicans have threatened there will be civil disobedience if this bill passes. Sen. John Marty (DFL) pointed out that one of his constituents who was opposed to the bill also threatened civil disobedience because she thought it would mean she would be forced to marry another woman.
     
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    A Republican Senator who is a a self-declared libertarian, and is voting for the bill, just made an interesting point. He said it shouldn't be up to the people to ask for the government to treat them equal but for government to justify why it isn't.

    A frequently heard libertarian argument in these debates is that government shouldn't be in the marriage business. What he is pointing out is that government is already in the marriage business and as such it has to treat people equally.
     
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    Senate just voted to pass the bill so off to Governor Dayton for a signature.

    Great day over here.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Yep. 37 to 30 with 1 Republican voting for it and 3 DFL voting against it. The first legal gay marriages in MN will happen on August 1st.
     
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    As far as I know, churches aren't REQUIRED to marry anyone, gay, straight or otherwise.
     

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