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Mgmt Discussed a System Change - More Ball Movement/Less Iso

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tc0330, Jun 18, 2019.

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  1. TheRealAllpro

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    #101 TheRealAllpro, Jun 18, 2019
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    1 because its tiring/exhausting
    2 its cooling other players off
     
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    Dantoni and Harden proceeded to say f that.

    Too much work for Pringles and Harden hates playing off-ball.
     
    #103 RocketsFido, Jun 18, 2019
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    I don't think iso is a problem, just get into it faster and don't do it so much
     
    #104 Mr. Clutch, Jun 18, 2019
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    And to the daring teams to beat it reason.. we have yet to win a championship so obviously it's being beaten.
     
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  6. tc0330

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    exactly. iso is definitely not the problem, doing too much of it with zero creativity and not much ball movement is the problem.
     
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    No it hast. Utah' shooters had great looks, they just suck at offense,sure part of that was us but not all. Just because GS offensive rating dipped below their average doesnt mean it was bad. It was still good against us.

    Thats fair.

    No he did not get out played by them. Harden outperformed Curry in the series and Kawhi did worse than Harden against an injury riddled GGS.
     
    #107 HP3, Jun 18, 2019
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    Idk.... even though we beat the Jazz twice in a row in the playoffs (4-1)... I really felt the Jazz could have won this year’s series as they really figured out defending the Rockets offensively as time went on.

    I think we need a system “tweak” not a system “change”.
     
    #108 dmoneybangbang, Jun 18, 2019
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  9. Corrosion

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    Take a look at the shooting stats from the middle of that last season to the end - he was shooting sub .300 which is what got him benched.

    They had been using that switching defense long before that.
     
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    wouldn't matter what he shot. he would of been benched by PJ regardless because that's when they rockets realized the steps they took defensively were another level. you keep clinging to your idea and its completely wrong. the numbers @MrButtocks posted already disregard your self claim but in case you wanted to neglect it

     
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  11. justtxyank

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    It's this. This is what I've been advocating/arguing. ISO isn't the problem, it's slow pace and draining of the clock.
     
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  12. Corrosion

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    That tweak is putting players who better fit the system around the MVP ….

    Really , you cant stop that guy. What you can do is hope the guys around him don't hit those shots he generates.
     
    #112 Corrosion, Jun 18, 2019
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    Oh don't worry people will complain...

    But honestly, as good as an isolation player as JH is, you have to admit that in the playoffs the last three years the GSW defenses have stopped him when it mattered most.

    Unlike us, they also can run set plays with motion and PnR on offense to free up open jump shots.
     
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  14. Corrosion

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    Bingo.

    Get the damn rock up the court in a hurry , get into forcing the switches faster and get down hill. Maybe you get a few easy ones as a result.
     
    #114 Corrosion, Jun 18, 2019
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    The biggest thing is we have missed a ton of open shots
    and
    failed to get rebounds

    Rocket River
     
    #115 Rocket River, Jun 18, 2019
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    Well sure but the Cap is the issue with putting better players around Harden. Harden will have to adjust his game around our team.

    Harden’s “your turn, my turn” ISO style has its limits. Harden can be stopped during a playoff series as we have seen year after year.
     
    #116 dmoneybangbang, Jun 18, 2019
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    But if Harden maximized his teammates abilities, maybe missing open shots ( which are sometimes after 21 seconds of dribbling the air out of the ball) and missing rebounds wouldn’t be such an issue.

    Harden standing in the corner while CP3 works just isn’t championship caliber behavior.
     
    #117 dmoneybangbang, Jun 18, 2019
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    Starting with the 22nd game of the 17/18 season.

    22 1 4 .250
    23 5 6 .833
    24 0 2 .000
    25 1 4 .250
    26 1 5 .200
    27 2 3 .667
    28 0 4 .000
    29 0 1 .000
    30 0 3 .000
    31 2 4 .500
    32 2 5 .400
    33 2 6 .333
    34 1 8 .125
    35 2 6 .333
    36 1 4 .250
    37 1 4 .250
    38 1 6 .167
    39 1 4 .250
    40 1 4 .250
    41 4 7 .571
    42 2 6 .333
    43 0 3 .000
    44 0 1 .000
    45 3 6 .500
    46 2 5 .400
    47 0 2 .000
    48 2 6 .333
    49 2 3 .667
    50 3 5 .600
    51 5 9 .556
    52 0 0 .
    53 DNP
    54 3 3 1.0
    55 0 3 .000
    56 6 10 .600
    57 2 7 .287
    58 2 6 .333
    59 0 2 .000
    60 - 68 DNP
    69 0 2 .000
    70 2 2 1.0
     
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  20. Nook

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    Whatever. The Rockets want to tweak their offense I’m fine with that, they should be doing that anyway.

    The Rockets bigger issue is on the defensive side of the ball and just a lack of talent equal to Golden State.
     
    #120 Nook, Jun 18, 2019
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