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MDA system itself is in great need of adjustment.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BigBum, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. bmelo

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    Because murray is genius, cause he traded for jh
     
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    I agree, James wouldn't wear down late in games with this system. He would be fresh and bouncy. Isos are for late shot clocks. Not the first option. Dantoni definitely knows how to implement this offense. We can't keep wearing our stars down. Let them be scorers instead of playmakers 24/7.
     
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    D'Antoni is trying to play to his stars, I think it is pretty clear that this isn't his "ideal" offense. I do believe that he should have pushed a bit to have what he wants while still being cognizant of his stars. The system like I said before might not make the offense "better" in Ortg, but it could be better in energy expended by the stars. If your stars are expending even just 10% less energy to create your offense, that does make a difference.
     
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  4. BigBum

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    Morey did not offer enough assets to bring more playful guys in the MDA system.

    Chriss/nene and 1 First to take Korver

    Gordon/3 Firsts to take Butler
     
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    This isn’t MDA Phoenix.
    This is MDA lethargic Rockets ball.
    The tempo is much slower and 99% more iso. The only difference in this scheme from last season is the defense fell off a cliff.
    Pretty much the same Offense but twice as many brick layers on today’s roster. The only adjustment MDA can make is speeding up the tempo.
     
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    4 off from a record 26 made 3s tonight.
     
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    - What system is good with average to bad players? No team wins with average to bad players. You have to have the stars to win. How's Popovich doing this year with less talent? Did he suddenly forget how to coach?

    - Paul's defense has only gotten worse with age? Really? The same Chris Paul that was first team All-NBA Defense last season?
    So far this season, our opponents are scoring 105.5 pts/100 possessions when CP3 is on the floor. When he's off the floor, our opponents are scoring 114.0 pts/100 possessions. That's almost a 10 pt difference.Paul makes our defense go. For comparison purposes, our opponents score 109 pts/100 possessions when Tucker is on the floor. When Tucker is off the floor, our opponents score 111.9 pts/ 100 possessions.

    - Golden State isn't good because they shoot midrange shots. They are good in spite of it. The Warriors are shooting 48.6% from midrange this season. They shot 47% last year and 44.2% the prior year. The Warriors would need to shoot 51.45% from midrange to even be as efficient as our horrific 3pt shooting this year.

    Think about that. As badly as we've shot the 3 this year, our 3 point shooting is still more efficient than GSW midrange shooting. That's how much of an advantage a 3 pointer is vs a 2 pointer. Paul is shooting 45.7% from midrange this year. Harden is at 25% and Gordon is at 33%. Does that sound like an appealing option to you?

    People keep mistakenly thinking that our system requires great shooters. That's the complaint that we keep hearing - "We don't have any great 3 point shooters".

    So how were we the most efficient offense in the league last year and the 2nd most efficient the prior season without any great 3 point shooters? It's the system. The 3 is such an advantage that even without 40% 3 point shooters we are still more efficient than most everyone. Everyone is complaining that our offense sucks this year and we have definitely shot badly but we're still #6 in offensive efficiency this season. That's due to the system.

    Our offense is based on Harden and CP3 creating open 3s. We shoot a whole lot of them and we usually shoot them really well. That's the advantage that we have over GSW. They obviously shoot better than we do but they don't have the ability to generate the number of open 3s that we do. That's how we were able to shoot a worse percentage than them last year but still be more efficient. We created more open 3s because of Harden and Paul.

    This season we are getting 34.4 Open or Wide Open 3s per game. GSW only get 22.9. The issue this year is that we have shot horribly. On Wide Open 3s (Closest defender 6+) ft, we are shooting 37.75 (on 17.6 shots/gm) and on Open 3s (Closest Defender 4-6 ft) we are only shooting 32.8%.

    To compare, last season we shot 39.9% on Wide Open 3s (18.6 att/gm) and 35.1% on Open 3s (16.3 att/gm). Two years ago we shot 38.4% on Wide open 3s (19.1 att/gm) and 36% on Open 3s (14.7 att/gm).

    We're still getting a ton of open 3s, we just haven't made them like we have in past seasons.

    We have a team built around our two HOF guards and the other guys have to play their roles and do a lot of the dirty work. If we could find a way to acquire several 40% 3pt shooters who could also play switching defense then yeah it would help. That's just not that easy to do. Really good shooters tend to get paid a lot of money. The salary cap and luxury tax make it really hard to fit with two max deals. Would Joe Ingles look good in a Rockets uniform? Yes he would but he's making $13M and he's not really attainable for us anyway. Any shooter that we bring in needs to be a wing or PF (a non-guard) because there's just not many minutes available here in the backcourt.

    Maybe there's a great shooter who can also play defense and isn't making a ton of money and we can somehow acquire him. I just don't know who that guy is but I'm sure Morey would jump on the opportunity if it arose.
     
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    BigBum produces BigTurd
     
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    what do you mean it "does not work at all" ? we were up 3-2 against the warriors lol. your kneejerk reactions are sad
     
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    Depending on what you mean by "MDA system" then maybe, but when you got Chris Paul and James Harden you kind of have to adjust to their play style. CP3 and Harden generate easy enough looks for 3s and points at the rim. Hoisting up 3s is a sound strategy, and Houston's method of doing it has to do with personnel. Not necessarily coaching. It's just that the Rockets only have six legit rotation players this season compared to the nine from last season. The difference between 9 and 6 is big especially when injuries hit both teams.

    18 pre-December: CP, Harden, Gordon, Trev, Luc, Tuck, Ryan, Cap, Nene
    19 pre-December: CP, Harden, Gordon, Ennis, Tuck, Cap

    But a great example of our strategy working under a different method is the Bucks. Mainly because they have Ginnias instead of Harden/CP. Bud is a good coach, and maybe our resident hybrid Bucks/Rockets fan @malakas can tell us more about their offensive system. I know the two offenses between Houston and Milwaukee are probably very different, but their end goal seems to be the same at a glance. Unlike the Warriors who are 2nd in mid ranger jumpers taken, near the bottom ten in 3PA, and dead last in drives at the rim. Klay is actually leading the league in mid range jumpers when he absolutely should be taking like 12 threes a night with Curry out.

    Bucks per stats.nba.com

    An offensive rating of 115.5 (1st in league)
    Per game:
    40.5 threes (2nd in league)
    6.1 mid range (29th in league)

    It's funny actually. You're never going to hear about how "the Bucks hate mid-range jumpers!" on national television. Look at this. The Bucks take five more 3PA per game than the #3 Celtics. The #3 Celtics take five more 3PA per game than the #15 76ers. Rockets only take two more 3PA than the Bucks.
     
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    W. beat that weak-minded bigbum ass
     
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    Yes that's right. And it's all the coaching system not so much the personel.

    For example this season Khris Middleton has stopped shooting midrangers even when he has been one of the best midranger shooters for some years now.
    In fact the Bucks offence is much more similar to MDA's Phoenix system, than his current Rocket's offensive scheme because there's much less iso and extreme fast pace.
    But definitely the end goal is the same.
     
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    Good post! Bucks are a good example.
     
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    Princeton offense system does not need a good bench, just need two stars.
     
  15. saleem

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    I do trust MDA more than Morey who really doesn't have a true grasp on how basketball should be played, but MDA's over reliance on 3's at times also hurts us.
     

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