Because he's 29, coming up on 30. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy too, but I wouldn't be as psyched about getting him as I would about Iggy.
Iggy >> Butler. Iggy is younger and a lot less injury prone. Has a much higher ceiling than Butler, who has already reached his.
man, we have to look the contract situation too... Iggy has a long contract..Butler expires in 2011 and is paid less
But Iggy's said contract isn't that bad. People just don't want to take on Dalembert. Not to mention Iggy would be with the term long-term, therefore, more chances at winning. Butler is out next year. Then what?
Tmac for Caron and Brendan. I would do that in a second. I watch the Wizards a lot. Tough Juice is incredibly underrated. He's lost interest this year, well obviously, because of the turmoil surrounding the team. Put his athleticism with the Rockets and a HOF coach and you have something. Brendan brings size and defense...we need that also. Morey cannot part with our core though. Give them Brian Cook.
If a deal is announced with the Wizards and it doesn't include "Rockets receive Wizard's 2010 unrestricted 1st round pick" I'm probably not going to be that happy.
Houston Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: +43.4 ppg, +19.6 rpg, and +3.6 apg. Incoming Players Antawn Jamison 6-9 PF from North Carolina 21.5 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 38.7 minutes Caron Butler 6-7 SF from Connecticut 16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 39.3 minutes Andray Blatche 6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS) 8.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 21.9 minutes Outgoing Players Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) 3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes Washington Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -43.4 ppg, -19.6 rpg, and -3.6 apg. Incoming Players Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) 3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes Outgoing Players Antawn Jamison 6-9 PF from North Carolina 21.5 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 38.7 minutes Caron Butler 6-7 SF from Connecticut 16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 39.3 minutes Andray Blatche 6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS) 8.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 21.9 minutes
You trying to give Leeb a heart attack? :grin: Butler is the same age as Scola, 29. Leeb thinks that's ancient. Ready for the "old folks home." And hell, Jamison is 33 years old! The horror!! Miller, if he were in a deal (and the guy that might be the most useful in Adelman's system, if healthy), is also 29. Haywood is 30! We become a bunch of doddering, fumbling guys on their last legs! Forget about their numbers, their production, their history (some of these fellows have been playing most of the games every year for a long time), or the fact that Haywood and Miller are expiring contracts and Miller, I would bet, we could sign to a good deal when he re-ups. What is wrong with you, DD??
Most people here seem to be completely dismissing the Wizards' rationale for making any deal with the Rockets, including the Wizards' "end game" with such a deal. The entire purpose of the Wizards trading for Tracy McGrady is to clear salary off the books to expedite their rebuilding process. So, one must ask oneself: What (and how great) is the benefit to Washington? For starters, for those suggesting its inclusion, WHAT exactly is the point of Washington including its first round pick (let alone it being UNPROTECTED) in any trade? The entire point of their "fire sale" is to rebuild. That first round pick stands to be a major building block in that process. Trading it would defeat the entire purpose of making trades in the first place. As for Javale McGee, do you think the Wizards' management is blind? They see what others see in McGee, a solid young center with a lot of potential. They likely view McGee as a major piece of their rebuilding process, especially if Haywood is getting shipped out, either to make salaries match in a larger trade or in a separate deal involving just him. So, unless the Wizards are getting an asset in return (besides only salary cap relief), I don't see the rationale for them giving him up. Taking this a step further, trading Caron Butler ($10.5M owed in 2010-11, the last year of his deal) plus expiring contracts in exchange for Tracy McGrady's expiring contract, in and of itself, does relatively little for Washington. Realistically, given the mess that has occurred in Washington this year, does anything honestly think that the Wizards will be able to sign anyone as good as Caron Butler, even with loads of cap room? I sure don't. So, let's say that the Wizards manage to unload salary (for instance, Antawn Jamison). They would likely start the rebuilding process by letting many of their contract expire, probably try to re-sign Randy Foye to a reasonable long-term deal, and go to war with Foye, Nick Young, Andre Blatche, Javale McGee and their first round pick. As far as I can tell, there's a gaping hole at the SF position there (even if they take a SF with their pick, he'll need some seasoning). Butler's salary is fairly reasonable and would keep the Wizards somewhat watchable next season. The Wiz could then use their cap room in 2011 and acquire one of the better free agents that summer, especially if Washington is able to improve their chemistry and image next season, making the team a more attractive free agent destination. Bottom line: The Wiz aren't going to give up Caron Butler AND other young assets (that they NEED to build around) in exchange for McGrady and "relative crap" (Dorsey, Taylor, Cook, etc.). Before proposing a trade, please think about it from Washington's perspective.
That describes a lot of young backup centers. Just some of them make use of their tools putting it all together (Andrew Bynum) and some of them dont (Patrick O'Bryant).
Does Ariza count as an asset? If so, Butler is a BIG upgrade from him (can do everything Ariza does, and more, and better). I'd do something like TMac+Ariza+Cook+pick for Butler+Haywood+Mike Miller in half a heartbeat.
