Because somebody, somewhere, convinced him that his beliefs were correct and that choosing to wear the flags of racist, white-ruled defunct African states was something to be proud of. That mindset is why the details deserve to be discussed. Not all crimes exist within vacuums. Were the details of the Birmingham church bombing "not relevant" because it was also a "mass murder"?
Unless politics is involved it may not be terrorism: "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
Now that the facts are out, it sounds like a hate crime. The media saw a white person killing black people and began calling it a hate crime before facts came out. Regardless, I don't think it matters in this case. You can't execute him any harder than he's going to be dealt with.
I'm not trolling, I asked a legitimate question. Is that not the case ANY time someone decides to be a mass-murderer? Don't get me wrong, if it makes you feel better to label this mass-murder a "hate crime" then by all means rock on. I just don't think it's relevant for a crime this severe. I think it might be relevant to a lesser crime like assault where you could ratchet up the punishment based on those factors, but this guy is already going to get the maximum punishment....so what difference does it make?
White guy shoots up black church. You really shouldn't need to know that he admitted it was a hate crime to reach that conclusion.
Do you not see your ignorance in this comment? Yes, his entire goal is to strike fear into everyone, not just the ones he killed. Sure, you can call him a "terrorist". At what point do we ship him off to Guantanamo and take away his rights as a US citizen? Where does the word "terrorist" stop? By your logic, someone who is robbing a store is terrorizing the clerk into giving them money.
Apparently to some white folks, he is not WHITE. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNN's <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisCuomo">@ChrisCuomo</a> tweeted this earlier and deleted smh <a href="http://t.co/0LbrT15X3e">pic.twitter.com/0LbrT15X3e</a></p>— BallerAlert (@balleralert) <a href="https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/611563137825804288">June 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"He looks light skinned black" <a href="https://t.co/dAdHgljvaJ">https://t.co/dAdHgljvaJ</a></p>— Danielle (@Tweeet_No_Evil) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tweeet_No_Evil/status/611548162663186432">June 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Lets tell the masses irrelevant things about the dude <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many of Dylann Storm Roof's Facebook friends, including those from his high school, are black. <a href="http://t.co/kUdsw5rn5L">http://t.co/kUdsw5rn5L</a> <a href="http://t.co/48qQaWJJIc">pic.twitter.com/48qQaWJJIc</a></p>— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) <a href="https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/611540036438335488">June 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dylann Storm Roof is described as “as quiet and soft-spoken.” <a href="http://t.co/1ny9hSyuGA">http://t.co/1ny9hSyuGA</a> <a href="http://t.co/At3rZLABv0">pic.twitter.com/At3rZLABv0</a></p>— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) <a href="https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/611544883153780736">June 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> But if he was not White, what should we cover? Obviously the criminal records. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">when ur white and a terrorist they try to make light of u but when ur black and hung they bring up ur criminal record <a href="http://t.co/jWtfMA9ufU">pic.twitter.com/jWtfMA9ufU</a></p>— algernod freebandz (@skrongmeat) <a href="https://twitter.com/skrongmeat/status/611549429481517056">June 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Oh lets take a look on how it is supposed to be covered.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?referrer&_r=1 Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years. In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. **The threat is at home, folks**
What is constituting a right wing attack here? 337 attacks? With 254 fatalities? Are they lumping in pigs blood being dumped on celebrities or something?
This cartoon is entirely inaccurate, but of course is spread by certain parties (as to be seen in the Twitter handles at the bottom right of it) interested in self-victimization and in using this incident for political gain.
Correct, of course, but I'm struggling to come up with what could be leading to the number of attacks. I read the article and obviously some serious incidents are listed, but it amounts to maybe 5. I don't want to pay for the report that was published so I guess I will never know what makes up the 300+ right wing terrorist attacks.
Battexx, in return for you leaving this thread, I offer you some analysis Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. National origin of September 11 hijackers: Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt, UAE My analysis is complete. The conclusion is unchanged. You are welcome
Based on the article it sounds like it would be stuff the investigators/justice department deemed politically motivated. People with ties to extremist groups, targets of political importance, motivations that were discovered during the investigations, etc. I guess you'll just have to take their word for it.
There's databases of the hundreds of right wing hate groups that exist around the country. Is it truly surprising that a low hundreds number of attacks can be traced to them?
Well, again, there are fewer deaths than incidents so I just don't know what constitutes an "attack." Is egging an abortion clinic being listed as an attack?
My guess is they are counting crimes by those with ties to hate groups and considering those "right wing" because I'm sure in their mind those two things are synonymous.
