1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Make your final 3 cuts (Sura excluded)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ClutchCityReturns, Oct 25, 2007.

?

I want to cut... (choose 3)

Poll closed Oct 29, 2007.
  1. John Lucas III

    94.8%
  2. Carl Landry

    4.5%
  3. Steve Novak

    44.4%
  4. Kirk Snyder

    23.1%
  5. Justin Reed

    87.5%
  6. Jackie Butler

    41.8%
  7. Other (please list)

    2.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. LAYGO

    LAYGO Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,257
    Likes Received:
    72
    Wait, I wanna change my vote!

    Reed/Butler/Snyder
     
  2. Nero

    Nero Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    6,441
    Likes Received:
    1,422
    I definitely do not envy the Rox brass on these cuts.

    So many issues can affect all this: money, depth, talent, 'fit'.

    Start with Reed. Never got much of a chance to see him play, but even he looked decent out there last night.

    Heck, even Lucas has some talent.

    The thing I hate, that I suspect we all hate, is the idea that we will let the 'wrong' guy go, and he will blossom into a guy we will regret letting him go.

    It seems like all of these guys could bite us in this way, except for Butler. I get no kind of 'feel-good' vibes from him at all.

    And even at that, there's the depth factor - do we dare go into the season with only Yao and Deke, and nobody behind them? Would Butler even offer anything worthwhile, if some injury happened and he was forced into duty?

    And then Novak. I think Novak stays. He needs some time to develop, and when he does, he will fit in this system like a glove. I think Morey and Adelman see this, and realize that he is a guy worth hanging onto, because the risk/reward factor is worth it.

    And Snyder. I have really been pulling for this guy, because he could really be a monster out there, kind of like a miniature version of Shawn Kemp. I would hate o see him finally develop into that monster playing for another team, but he just doesn't seem to fit here.


    So I guess, if it were me having to make these decisions, I would cut the following guys:

    Lucas - he's got some talent, and maybe he can find a permanent hom on a team somewhere, but it just isn't going to be here.

    Butler - has showed nothing at all, as far as I can tell, and the mere value of 'big-man depth' does not seem to be enough, especially in Adelman's system, where guys like Scola and Hayes can man the 5 anyway. Plus, we're only on the hook for his salary for one year, if I am not mistaken. Maybe they can trade him, for that reason. SOME team ought to covet a young big man with only a year left, shouldn't they?

    Snyder - this is the one that gives me the most sorrow, because he just seems, at least in the telecast context, to be a decent kid, with his heart and effort in the right place. He just doesn't seem to be able to integrate into the 'flow' of what this team needs, and I don't have a lot of confidence that he will ever be able to, especially with the extremely limited minutes he would get here if he were to stay. Good luck, Kirk.
     
  3. ClutchCityReturns

    ClutchCityReturns Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    13,321
    Likes Received:
    2,442
    For starters he's long (which Snyder is not) which helps his potential as a lock-down defender in spot minutes, and it would be just about impossible to make more stupid plays than Snyder does. I'd rather have that than a guy who can't dribble, makes bad passes, can't get his own shot off effectively, can't make shots in the first place, and looks lost at times.
     
  4. iconoclastic

    iconoclastic Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    6,100
    Likes Received:
    422
    John Lucas III - Cut him. Redundant position.
    Carl Landry - After what he did against the Grizz, and the fact that we need a 3rd PF, I think we'll keep him
    Steve Novak - Hasn't shown anything in the pros at all. At least Ryan Bowen flew around with energy
    Kirk Snyder - More trade value than any of the other guys so we'll keep him
    Justin Reed - Haven't seen this guy play much, I guess that means he's not that good
    Jackie Butler - Sucks

    It's going to be JLIII, Novak, and the contract of either Reed or Butler that's the best $ value for the team.
     
  5. Trip

    Trip Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2007
    Messages:
    565
    Likes Received:
    13
    Does anyone have any idea of what weight Francis is playing at? In his best years in Houston he was between 190 to 195 pounds. What is he now? 210?
     
  6. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,153
    Likes Received:
    17,091
    Another way to look at this via our depth chart*:

    1: Rafer Alston, Mike James, Steve Francis, Aaron Brooks, Luther Head
    2: Tracy MacGrady, Bonzi Wells, Luther Head, Steve Francis, Mike James, Kirk Snyder
    3: Tracy MacGrady, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, Kirk Snyder
    4: Luis Scola, Chuck Hayes, Carl Landry, Shane Battier
    5: Yao Ming, Jackie Butler, Dikembe Mutombo, Luis Scola

    assuming the following are gone: John Lucas III, Steve Novack, Justin Reed (which are who I voted off the island)

    On the Snyder vs. Reed comparison, neither player gets off the end of the bench. Whoever we release, we may be doing a favor.

    * we could quibble about the ordering, especially about the 1 and the 2, but the quibbling would be over players who are locks to make the team and not the bubble player at the end of the lists
     
    #26 No Worries, Oct 25, 2007
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2007
  7. Plowman

    Plowman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 1999
    Messages:
    12,307
    Likes Received:
    13,250
    Snyder's comingf off a brioken wrist which kills your shot and finishing at the hoop...two strengths of our Kirk's game.Yes,for those who didn't know in addition to the athleticism which helps him play D and run the break,Snyder is like a career 36 % shooter from 3.(or something close to it)With a healthy wrist and the kind of wide open looks he'll get here expect 38 -40 from downtown...Sure he could gealso get dealt but noway do I see him as a cut.There's upside and trade value....filler at the very least.
     
  8. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,153
    Likes Received:
    17,091
    If we had a poll about the player most likely to be traded, Synder would get my vote.
     
  9. lpbman

    lpbman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2001
    Messages:
    4,157
    Likes Received:
    691
    Lucas, Reed, Butler
    I'd like to keep Novak... I know all he can do is shoot right now, but I think that's a highly undervalued skill, esp at the end of games.

    Considering none of the above will likely get any real minutes, I'd rather have someone who can flat out shoot.
     
  10. redao

    redao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,819
    Likes Received:
    58
    Lucas: obvious

    Butler: If you want to develop a young backup center, you need to cut this guy to avoid wasting your time. Find someone else who is at least willing to play baksetball.

    Novak: has no game.
     
  11. redao

    redao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,819
    Likes Received:
    58
    AT the end of a close game, I'd still choose Battier and Scola's defense,shooting, flopping, intangibles over Novak's streaky shooting.
     
  12. ReD_1

    ReD_1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    13
    If Harris left isn't it logical that Kirk is staying?!
    Carl Landry or Steve Novak,that's the question,I'll be suprised if Reed stays.
     
  13. Barkley

    Barkley Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2007
    Messages:
    3,120
    Likes Received:
    0
    But now if I were More I would definetly choose Snyder.

    I only hope he won't show his shootin' skills anymore. I wanna his agressivness :rolleyes:
     
  14. jopatmc

    jopatmc Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,368
    Likes Received:
    387

    I think you've got it right. If we are not able to make a trade, we are going to cut expirings and bite the bullet with the other contracts. Butler, and Reed are expirings next year that we can use to swing a deal with, possibly at the trade deadline. Morey ain't gonna cut guys with another year left on their deal and be stuck with dead money on the cap.
     
  15. MrMatt

    MrMatt Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    107
    Likes Received:
    0
    i have not been impressed at all with snyder. everytime i see him with the ball it seems like he just jacks up a long shot brick. id rather keep novak over snyder.
     
  16. bjshot

    bjshot Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Messages:
    912
    Likes Received:
    4
    The easiest two are JLIII and Butler. Butler has the size but don't have the attitude. It's no potential. Reed can make shot in pre-s, but his record in regular-s against him. Novak have potentials to survive in the league but how long it will take to realize the potential?
     
  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    15,109
    Likes Received:
    2,143
    Lucas, Reed, and Fancy.
     
  18. Barkley

    Barkley Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2007
    Messages:
    3,120
    Likes Received:
    0
    If Novak had that shoots that Snyder has taken from the outside he would probably be the best 3-point shooter on the team
     
  19. emjohn

    emjohn Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2002
    Messages:
    12,132
    Likes Received:
    567
    The guys that make the most fiscal sense, assuming these will be actual cuts and not a 3-1 trade: Landry, JL3, Novak.

    Butler and Reed are both on the books next year, and cuts do not release teams of salary cap/lux tax obligations. To cut them would in essence make next year's lux tax $4 million tougher on us, and we're already have $60+ million committed to 10 guys in '08-'09.

    Snyder's a RFA this summer, so that makes him a little easier pill to swallow. The only reason I'd hesitate dropping him to clear a roster spot, aside from leaving his $2.3 on the books, is that he and Bonzi are the only two "pure" SGs on the roster with reasonable size. It'd be nice insurance to avoid situations where we're depending on Steve or James to hold the fort at the 2 when they give up 3 to 4 inches on everyone.

    Personally, I still think Morey needs to burn the phone lines and get a trade to happen that clears some of the deck. Ideally, this would be the way to drop Reed and the others.

    If I had to make cuts as a last resort, I cut Snyder, Novak, and JL3. None of them look like they can contribute on the squad, and all are final year contracts. If we were in a world without cap rules, I'd drop Reed before Snyder.

    Evan
     
  20. Rocket_Man_2.0

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    6,722
    Likes Received:
    1,646
    Going
    John Lucas
    Novak...too one dimensional..no d..can't rebound
    Reed...has a good face up jumper..not very athletic..Rockets have Landry

    Staying
    Snyder..too much value
    Butler...future back up center
    Landry...cost us future 2nd pick + money
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now